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The Tesla Truck Towing Doesn’t Matter

January 28, 2020


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  • Reply Teslanomics with Ben Sullins January 27, 2020 at 5:17 pm

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  • Reply Ronald Dvorak January 28, 2020 at 1:25 am

    You haven't gotten your facts correct. Most people use the bed for storing things, or going to landfill and for pulling trailer and boats.

  • Reply Brian Lampright January 28, 2020 at 1:33 am

    YOU'RE A CITY BOY….YOU NEED TO ADMIT THAT AND ADMIT YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING. Here in Utah we actually use our trucks for what they are meant for and the Cybertruck won't work for our needs. I'll give you one simple example. I have a 13,000 lb trailer I tow with my diesel truck. With the trailer attached my range is about 300 miles. The Model X with a wimpy 5000lb trailer cuts the range by 1/3 from 300 miles to 100 miles…completely useless. Carry that over to a Cybertruck and (this is very generous) let's say the 500 mile range cuts in 1/3 to 165 miles about 1/2 the range of my diesel truck with a 13k lb trailer. This range is too short for the types of trips I do and would be a nightmare, especially considering NONE of the Supercharger stations are compatible with trailers. e-trucks can't replace a diesel in 2020…it's going to be a while before they can.

  • Reply Donald Burkhard January 28, 2020 at 1:34 am

    This is light truck duty, not heavy duty. They may do that later. Semi can tow a lot!

  • Reply Aaron Dorsch January 28, 2020 at 1:55 am

    I'm definitely interested in the Cybertruck.

    I admit I've never towed anything with my previous trucks (never had a tow kit actually, so i don't care about tow capacity).
    I have driven off road a handful of times (to be clear, I would not consider it a big factor if my next vehicle could not off road).
    Hauling, though… I think your statistics are skewed towards a particular result.

    Having owned a truck for the majority of my driving years, I will say that the majority of the time, no I am not hauling something I couldn't fit in a non-truck vehicle. That doesn't make up for the fact that I've been able to haul things I wouldn't have otherwise.

    I threw everything I owned in the bed and drove across the country… twice. I'm always helping friends move. There's plenty of large things I've bought/picked up with no gameplan ahead of time simply because I've always been able to make it fit.

    Now, economically… I'm sure it would've been cheaper to own a car than a truck (gas mileage is horrible) and maybe just rent one when needed. However, that's a huge amount of hassle; do I rent a truck when a friend wants help moving?

    Finally, something you didn't mention at all, but I found to be a crucial factor when shopping for vehicles as a truck owner: height off the ground. I very much prefer being high off the ground while driving, and not many vehicles have that besides a truck. Cars are quite Claustrophobic for me; it's hard to see. Some SUVs are high enough off the ground, but are generally more expensive. Trucks are fairly cheap and versatile.

    The Cybertruck seems to be all of the benefits, none of the weaknesses. When I can get a new vehicle, it'll probably be that.

  • Reply greyman003 January 28, 2020 at 1:57 am

    I want the Cyber truck. It will offset my deficiency in other areas.

  • Reply John Tegland January 28, 2020 at 2:04 am

    How does the Semi fit into this not great for towing idea?

  • Reply RobiSydney January 28, 2020 at 2:17 am

    Most of our towing is 4K# to 10K# within 180 miles round trip. How ever we do have 600-1200 mile round trip with 6K# to 12K# 4 times a year. We can't use fastpass while towing, so we are stuck in the slow lane. With a long bed pickup we can use fastpass and carry all our tools and our crew of 2 to 4 people. My tow vehicle is a 1989 Ford F-150 4.9L I6 — good for the 0.8t excavator or 443 skidsteer. The other trucks are a 1995 Dodge 3500 Dual 5.9L Cummings (20mph towing a pool from Tucson), a 1996 Ford F350 4×4 w/ 7.5L (460 Gas), or a 2001 Chevy Short Bed Crew Cab 4×4 duramax 2500 (We can't use it for towing pools in AZ – must be a 1 ton) Our best truck for towing in the Duramax Chevy (45mph on the grades) The Duramax gets the best mileage as well 8mpg, Dodge 5mpg and the Ford 4mpg while towing. My 1/2 ton gets 8 to 14mpg when towing, but I'm only pulling less than 7K#. Cybertruck would be wonderful for the short tows and the non tows IF we can get enough tools into it.

  • Reply kickinbackinOC January 28, 2020 at 2:19 am

    F150 is not the right truck to compare with.
    The F250 is a more equivalent truck with the Cybertruck, and the F250 gas tows 21,000 lbs, and diesel tows 24,200 lbs. And they can tow for hours and hours, and refuel in seconds, then go back to towing for hours and hours. Batteries are not quite up to this heavy duty cycle, (YET!)

    Also, the towing range of a max laden Cybertruck is likely 50% of it's unladen range. Electric vehicles suck up a lot of electrons when towing! They sure have a ton of torque for towing, but range goes out the window.

    The range of any fossil fuel vehicle also decreases when towing, (maybe a few percent), but not by the huge decrease exhibited by battery electrics.

    I still like the idea of electric trucks for our service and maintenance business, (no towing!), and we will likely try the electric F150 and electric 1500 when they are released. Might consider the Cybertruck as well, but we're going to wait and see what GM and Ford have on offer first.

    What I really want is an all-electric sports car, reasonably priced! A motor for each wheel is ideal, with adjustable algorithms for stability control, traction control, and torque vectoring. You know, stuff not easily done with differentials and transmissions!

    Model 3 mr
    Viper GTS 700hp/690tq
    Fleet of trucks

  • Reply mike thulin January 28, 2020 at 2:22 am

    Have a model 3 and love it, but own a diesel to haul trailers and use my truck for the reason it was designed for

  • Reply IDIOT WITH A SOLDERING IRON January 28, 2020 at 2:31 am

    Urban biased stats?

  • Reply Jason Esquivel January 28, 2020 at 2:35 am

    I tow every day. But, it's my job and I use a purpose built vehicle. I am really looking forward to the Tesla Semi and can't wait to get more info on the Nikola One. 🚛💨

  • Reply Dan Broers January 28, 2020 at 2:36 am

    I can't believe what I am hearing, seriously one firm with data from where? I live in rural America and a truck is imperative and if they don't own one well then what they have is used like a truck. In California the roads are so bad that a truck or suv makes sense to last until to pay-off, I know I used to live there. This is a blanket statement to say we don't use trucks for what they are built for. When I bought a truck it was for a very long term ownership, over 15 years of great service. No car can do what my truck does but, my truck can do what a car can't. Not against cars or EV's just data does not jive when a truck can cost anywhere from 40-100K, Not a casual buy, Whatever people buy for, I have believe they have a good reason, data can't show that.

  • Reply Laurence Allen January 28, 2020 at 2:41 am

    so your not going to say your mind will follow as a end to your video? 🙂

  • Reply Jack E January 28, 2020 at 2:43 am

    If you look at the data, Ford and GM sell over 2 million trucks between them each year. CT has a specific use case and only needs to capture 10-15% of the market to be Telsas biggest seller.

  • Reply Cubeoctahedron January 28, 2020 at 2:54 am

    I don't want your opinion …I want the numbers …sorry you loose!

  • Reply William Wood January 28, 2020 at 3:00 am

    Awesome video well researched 🙋‍♂️🙋‍♂️. I can't wait to stop getting 13MPG in my tundra and start driving my cybertruck 😎😎🙋‍♂️🙋‍♂️

  • Reply William Wood January 28, 2020 at 3:12 am

    I actually got sold on the bulit in cover and air compressor not to mention a generator 🤯🤯. I am a electrical engineer and I primarily just haul a bunch of specialized tools from installation to installation. The cybertruck will be perfect a comfortable ride. I get amazing MPGe and tool will always be protected by cover and sentry mode.

  • Reply chris zahniser January 28, 2020 at 3:17 am

    These statistics must only be in California??

  • Reply chris zahniser January 28, 2020 at 3:20 am

    What about atlis? Is it good

  • Reply transmotion23 January 28, 2020 at 3:21 am

    I guess I’m in the 20% minority of truck owners. I use my truck for towing 2-3 month, and I use the bed at least twice a week. I can’t imagine living my life without a truck at this point. So much utility!

  • Reply Justin Hugh January 28, 2020 at 3:33 am

    I think you are missing the point as to why people buy trucks. A mass majority use the trucks as your data shows, but why they buy them is to have the capability….if they need it. The towing numbers are partly a reflection of that capability. Whether they use it or not is inconsequential for these group of truck buyers. For the rest, it is all about the numbers as they use it as intended, whether it is payload or towing or offroad, etc. There is a huge market for trucks where the buyer uses them to tow RVs or plan to use it to tow RVs. Again, towing numbers matter, as realistic towing numbers and actual number are very different, depending on what and how you tow. That said, Tesla will not be competing for those markets. They will compete for the casual truck buyers, where real world usage and numbers dont mean as much. If Tesla get 10% of overall sales it is a huge win. Anyone that wants to tow will have huge logistical problems when charging. Current charging stations cannot support this, so that group would and should never buy a Cybertruck. Btw I own a Model 3 and I am thinking about getting a truck. While I would love get a Cybertruck, I just do not think it makes sense for the reasons I want or need a truck.

  • Reply Preston Tucker January 28, 2020 at 3:35 am

    What if the trailer had it's own battery or could drive itself?

  • Reply Jay Ennals January 28, 2020 at 3:46 am

    When they took what their slaves grew on their land**

  • Reply Nathan Shearer January 28, 2020 at 3:55 am

    Yes I rarely tow anything but I bought my Truck specifically so I could tow my Camper when I wanted to. Towing capacity was the ONLY factor I considered when buying my truck.

  • Reply Harvey Payne January 28, 2020 at 3:57 am

    I want a Cybertruck to tow my camp trailer. The Cyber vault is great for stowing camping goods like bikes, inflatable boats, fire rings, etc. I want the top of the line not for its 0-60 time — I couldn't possibly care less about that. I want the 500 mile range, which will give me possibly 250 towing range, or almost twice as far as my X.

  • Reply Jeffrey Akin January 28, 2020 at 3:59 am

    Towing does matter… Yes people don't use it often on average but it's important. I drive a 100D and love the acceleration, I also have a trimotor Cyber truck reservation and couldnt careless about the acceleration in a truck, that's not what it's about, it's about function and that is how Tesla designed it.

  • Reply Brandon Devahl January 28, 2020 at 4:00 am

    Get out of California city boy, your perception on trucks not actually being used or needed is off by a long shot.

  • Reply Jim Jenkins January 28, 2020 at 4:11 am

    Have you not gone to a boat ramp or Home Depot? Maybe all those millions of people didn’t have time to fill out a survey, but I am positive that trucks are way more used and useful than you are describing. Also, due to federal MPG rules cars are too small, you need a truck to fit 6 adults comfortably

  • Reply Fit Mint January 28, 2020 at 4:33 am

    If Tesla can compete in the semi truck space don’t you think they can scale that technology down in to a truck that competes with HDs?

  • Reply Brian Foddy January 28, 2020 at 4:53 am

    While a fully agree many people don't need pickups, there is a considerable number of people that use a pickup or large SUV for just a few tows per year. And for those cases, your video misses one very important factor… It is almost impossible to rent a pickup or large SUV with a tow hitch … at all. Only U-Haul and a few other truck moving companies offer any pickups with hitches, and absolutely nobody offers SUVs with hitches. So in my personal case — and the only reason I don't have an electric car, I want to tow a small snowmobile trailer in the the cold midwest winters 200-300 miles into remote territories. All the research I've done concludes even the longest range Tesla M-X would drive for about 100 miles, change for an hour, repeat. And that's the best scenario. If I could effectively rent a capable tow truck/suv at a reasonable price for a weekend / short week to go sledding, then a M3 would fit the rest of my use cases. But that business market isn't there. So I have no choice but to stay with my gas sedan (yes I can tow with an AWD sedan) for all my needs — for now.

  • Reply wpherigo1 January 28, 2020 at 5:04 am

    Interstate highways were a result of the crappy roads the US had during WW2 and the need to develop flexible, strong transportation for the only country able to stand up against Communist Russia, and the one that had the furthest to go with a booming economy. But what you are saying is that people shouldn’t buy Tesla trucks for sure because they will not only have capabilities no one will use and they are too big to operate normally.

  • Reply Jim Waller January 28, 2020 at 5:16 am

    ??? What? Your data shows that a surprising percentage do use towing and bed loads. I'll tow my boat and my racecar with the cybertruck. Few people need MAX tow load. But range margin is required for towing reasonable loads. Tesla is the only one so far that can handle it. 500 miles might be 250-300 with a trailer but that's fine.

  • Reply cole cantrell2 January 28, 2020 at 5:24 am

    doesn't the cyber truck way as much as an f250 witch can tow 15,000 pounds

  • Reply seminole249 January 28, 2020 at 5:32 am

    Automakers never say that even though it can tow 13k lbs doing so often will severely accelerate wear and tear on your brakes, rotors, transmission etc…

  • Reply Thomas Edwards January 28, 2020 at 5:35 am

    Why are your sectors less than half of a circle to represent 75%?

  • Reply michael guy January 28, 2020 at 5:41 am

    You can make the same analogy about the sedans 0-60 times. I have ordered the Cyber Truck because I am assuming Elon is smart enough to make it perform as a utility truck should. And yes, towing capacity does matter to truck people just as 0-60 matters to car people.

  • Reply Tyler Wunsch January 28, 2020 at 6:30 am

    The heavy infrastructure mining industry is already using electric dump trucks for hauling. Bigger batter packs matter. Dannar is also disrupting. You needed to have light duty and heavy duty decoupled.

  • Reply Joseph H January 28, 2020 at 8:12 am

    YOU REMIND ME OF JULIAN EDELMAN!!!

  • Reply Pat McGuinness January 28, 2020 at 8:16 am

    Ben I usually really enjoy your insight. but this time you have no idea of what you say. I'm a general building contractor with more than fifty years in the field. The Cyber truck was built for working people, by people that took the time to find out what they really want. Most job site trucks are not driven hundreds of miles to remote jobs. They're driven around town hauling lumber or hauling tools in small trailers, so yes towing does play into the equation, just not for great distances. Clearly the ability to run nematic tools, electrical outlets and the ability to lower the truck to load, are all qualities very useful to the trades. Can they be used by the weekend warriors ? Yes, but that's not the main reason for the design. Also the operational cost are a big consideration for anyone making a living with their vehicles. The best part is the ability to haul fuel to your heavy equipment in 55 gallon drums and not having to worry about banging the truck up when your fueling that front end loader or backhoe. the trucks pretty dent resistant and no paint to chip or scrape. That 30% to 70% who do haul or do tow is still a very large part of the equation. We are the people they make the trucks for and the rest are just possers! But that's OK.

  • Reply Joe Simpson January 28, 2020 at 9:20 am

    If the assumption is that this vehicle will not be used in a way that is not very truck like but man o man it screams zero to 60 then what’s the point get a fast car – and it’s ugly…

  • Reply Jaye Smoker January 28, 2020 at 9:33 am

    I tow 50+ times a year 1000-4000kg for work but never need to go more than 15kms. I think this is where towing matters and yet the Cybertruck will work great, even commercially. Long-range towing/travel(caravans)/hauling is where it doesn't work at all for now.

  • Reply Jeff Vesel January 28, 2020 at 10:30 am

    Ok, so maybe I'm a little confused here. It sounds like you lean towards people that own trucks, are just a majority of people that are just "truck" people (a little tired of hearing that). Most of my life I had cars, and the one constant that always came up was the need to haul some stuff (not necessarily TOW) or move things. I would have to go FIND someone with a truck.

    This is what the small truck comes in perfectly for. Throwing stuff in that bed and hauling it. Cars just don't work that way. I just don't know about those "numbers". People that I know USE their truck. They use it to move stuff. The Tacoma has all the comfort of a car (if not more with sitting position, getting in/out) and you can throw stuff in the bed and move it. The small truck serves a purpose, not just a fad. I mean, people can manipulate numbers to support there point/agenda all day long, but truck production growth over the years is not some hip marketing ploy, I think it fills a REAL need over a car. You can haul stuff (whenever you need to), visibility is usually better, and it has everything a car has. Now I'm sure that there is all this DATA out there that just goes against everything I'm saying, but I'm basing my opinion solely on REAL WORLD observations and experiences.

    The simple truth, in my opinion, is that a small truck just does MORE than a car. I would say, people that own cars, are just . . . well . . . "car" people. ; )

    Good video by the way.

  • Reply Andrew S January 28, 2020 at 10:49 am

    European city streets are not as wide because they were built century's before any USA city was so us cities were created in many cases with cars in mind!

  • Reply Modern Tech Junkie January 28, 2020 at 11:22 am

    I like your videos, but this one was the worst. Towing capacity doesn't matter to most people, but don't say it doesn't matter at all. I do construction, hauling, Etc within about a 15-mile radius and this seems perfect. Also putting in 110 second avertisment in a video is gay.

  • Reply Mahi JB January 28, 2020 at 11:38 am

    Guys cybertruck will be official police vehicle in the future. Dubai already ordered cybertruck for their police department.

  • Reply chrisose January 28, 2020 at 11:54 am

    Every excuse in the book for why the CyberTruck will suck as a truck.
    A textbook lesson in how to be a fanboy.

  • Reply iloveplato January 28, 2020 at 12:00 pm

    I stopped the video when it became an infomercial about security cameras.
    What’s next, I bought a gun because I am paranoid.

  • Reply Matthew Connor January 28, 2020 at 12:45 pm

    I could see the CT taking a bite out of the consumer/light duty fleet vehicle market where the driving experience, longevity and lower cost of ownership is more important then the absolute capacity or tow rating. For a lawn care business pulling a small trailer around town or a construction company that has a large fleet of pickups they use for general purpose/running around the job site a CT's cheaper charging cost and lower maintenance cost more then offset range limitations while towing. Could also see it being used by mine operators because of it's lack of emissions and durability.

    I'm seriously considering a CT because it could be the last vehicle I ever need to purchase. If it really is a million mile vehicle I could still being driving it when I retire in 30+ years.

  • Reply Mark J January 28, 2020 at 12:46 pm

    I see you've got your cult members all fired up to excuse the awful range-while-towing specs of EVs. God you people are f***ing ridiculous. Instead of wrecking the environment with your 5,000 lb monstrosities, you and your band of incel followers should stay in the basement. You don't know ANYthing about how truck users actually use their vehicles. Everyone who buys an F250 or above uses their truck for some sort of heavy use, and almost all of the F150 buyers I know do SOMEthing needing a large bed, or light towing. If you don't really need a truck, the stick to your Model 3, or do something better for the environment, and buy a used Prius.

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  • Reply joaquin taino January 28, 2020 at 12:54 pm

    WTF, dude you spent way too much on simply Safe. Had i known would skip to the actuall content. Please time stamp your vids. Thx

  • Reply Tim Owens January 28, 2020 at 12:59 pm

    What about usable range when towing something?

  • Reply scottysize January 28, 2020 at 1:10 pm

    OK Ben. I'm a truck owner. While you're right, I do not need a pickup 99% of the time for towing or hauling, there is that time once or twice a year where I do need to tow/haul things. If you're a home owner, you really should own a pickup. I mean, you yourself owns a pickup. Can I rent one? Sure, however, there are problems with renting. No rental pickup has my light harness for my trailer, so I cannot haul my trailer. Also, in Texas, if you're going to haul a trailer, it has to be with a vehicle you own. There are other benefits to owning a truck that you're not thinking of. I carry my golf clubs in the bed all the time. I can't carry them in the trunk of my M3, because that would use up all my trunk space. Also, many many many times a year I do use the bed to put something in that I wouldn't want in my car. IE: Grease, Oil, Old Wood, Paint, Metal Bars, poles, you name it. So, if you own a house, you really should own something with a bed. Also, interior space. ANYONE who's EVER sat inside a pickup, knows there's a TON more interior room in a pickup than you have in any car. It's more comfortable and there's something to be said for sitting up higher than other cars. Being able to see over the car ahead of you and anticipate that car hitting an object is something that you cannot do in a car. Example, I was driving home one day in the rain. A vehicle ahead of me was all I could see. We were going the speed limit of 70 MPH on a highway. Next thing I know, there's a 6' ladder in the road directly in front of my car. It missed my suspension on my Model 3 my an inch but did tear the fabric under the car. I was lucky. Had I been in a pickup, I might not have been able to see past the vehicle, but at least I would have been higher off the ground and wouldn't have had to worry about the ladder hitting my truck's underside. I for one, cannot wait for my Cybertruck. I plan on going to Cali to pick it up from the factory. For all the things I mentioned above. I will not be trading in my Model 3 however, because I plan on continuing to drive it and even Uber using it to help pay off bills so I can retire early. But I will have the Cybertruck for retirement.

  • Reply Tim Sorbera January 28, 2020 at 1:11 pm

    I think you are downplaying the usefulness of a truck. Even if it's only for occasional use, it can be an inconvenience to not have a vehicle that can really haul and tow. I've always just had small coupes/sedans in Texas where big trucks are a norm, and while they're mostly not needed, sometimes it would be nice to be able to haul something large or dirty without worrying about it.

  • Reply Tyler Kerr January 28, 2020 at 1:20 pm

    Who else skipped past his commercial pitch?

  • Reply JohnyTechReview January 28, 2020 at 1:24 pm

    So basically a 5500 lbs bullet is what I’m buying. Woot

  • Reply hamobu January 28, 2020 at 1:37 pm

    Quarter of the video is a commercial.

  • Reply thewood68 January 28, 2020 at 1:53 pm

    People buy trucks because they either need the capability or they want the option of the capability. This video is comparable to saying;
    You — "Go run a marathon but don't bring any water. Why would you bring water? You're not thirsty when you started running. "
    Normal person — "Yes but what if I want water in 20 minutes? "

  • Reply GreenTechFusion Renewable Energy January 28, 2020 at 2:27 pm

    Uhh yeah sorry Ben the data is skewed towards city people and not country where we use trucks for hauling or towing almost everyday. Because of that I ordered the CyberTruck and can’t wait to use to run my solar business. Yes there is the odd one or two clean trucks around here that have never hauled anything but this is TX.

  • Reply Ernie Petrocine January 28, 2020 at 2:35 pm

    Hey Ben, I just got a good idea for a future video that all you YouTubers haven’t really covered. The term is used a lot ‘orders of magnitude’. Just a suggestion that you could do a math show and quickly educate us on how to think of orders of magnitude.

  • Reply Rd January 28, 2020 at 2:44 pm

    Trucks make my thingy feel bigger

  • Reply Ryan Brehm January 28, 2020 at 2:59 pm

    *Laughs in Trucker*

  • Reply General_FLA January 28, 2020 at 3:00 pm

    In sweden You can not get an Cyber Truck Cuz there are no Crash zones!?Wt*

  • Reply warmonger2500 January 28, 2020 at 3:09 pm

    I very much want a tesla truck as a daily driver to work and to have a truck when needed. Not a lot of towing expected except for a flatbed trailer to allow easier loading of larger items.

  • Reply Brian W. January 28, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    Thanks Ben great video as always. True story I owned a brand new 2017 F250 4wd crew cab. Loved the truck, my dream vehicle. 8 months after buying it I realized it sat, and sat, and sat most of the time. I towed the boat with it and the trailer etc then it sat. One day I realized this was silly. We traded it in on a 2018 Model 3, Tesla gave me more money on trade than we paid for it and now I have a vehicle we drive every day/week. I bought a used fleet 2014 F150 at an auction and paid cash. Now it sits and I don't feel one bit bad about it at all. Your video is on point as most people "FEEL" they need a truck everyday but in reality the data would show you only need it 3% of the time if that. Keep up the good work.

  • Reply Connor Court January 28, 2020 at 3:13 pm

    From everything I’ve read the cybertruks GVWR will be in the heavy duty class so it would technically be competing with the f250….

  • Reply Stan Meyer January 28, 2020 at 3:22 pm

    All due respect, to you Ben, obviously you're not a truck guy you missed so many points that the truck is used for! If you're an outdoor sportsman you'll use your truck to haul your gear if your boater you'll throw a lot of boating gear in the back of the truck, if you're a hunter you want to take your truck out in the woods you want to have camping gear and other gear in the back of the truck. If you have bikes, & quad Cycles you load them up in the bed of the truck and you take them to your favorite Outback place to run the trails. Maybe you want to go camping on a river, take canoes or kayaks, load the back of the truck also with camping gear. Obviously if you are a farmer you also have all sorts of farm equipment to tow, Feed & Farm Equipment to throw in the back of the truck. Maybe you're a mobile mechanic you have all sorts of tools. Craftsman of all types have tools to go to the job site. Landscapers have trucks for tools equipment. The Cyber truck is just another utilitarian vehicle!… With a BAD BOY image that says look out here I am… I'm announcing myself… I'm bad, I'm bad… Oh yeah!

  • Reply ChadatWork January 28, 2020 at 3:23 pm

    How can you even saying towing is not a way to judge a truck's worth? That's why we have them.

  • Reply ChadatWork January 28, 2020 at 3:25 pm

    The Tesla SUV only gets 1/3 of the distance, or 100 miles, when towing according to TFL

  • Reply Rio522Bass January 28, 2020 at 3:26 pm

    Great info. And SUPER great points as usual. No one is buying the Cyber Truck for its towing capacity. Like me most of us who are buying it for its style and futuristic body style. Who cares what it’s max towing capacity. The most I wound tow would be limited to what I can put in the bed and maybe a uhaul to hell a friend which won’t happen too much.
    And that takeoff speed I’d be using that more than anything (praying I don’t get a ticket) since nearly everyone at a red light will want to “test” that spec. So that’s my 2 cents on it.

  • Reply Mark Alexander January 28, 2020 at 3:28 pm

    So what happens to those of us in the "minority" that use their trucks for towing, hauling and off-road (at least once a week)? (I wonder if all the data was freed in this case.) I guess we don't buy a Cybertruck. That really bums me out since I really like the thing. Battery tech needs to catch up. Soon. BTW, I think that would apply to the semi as well, since it's sole purpose is to tow large capacities.

  • Reply Super Tesla January 28, 2020 at 3:40 pm

    I had a 2011 Tacoma TRD Off Road for 8 years and I never towed anything in all my time of owning it. I used to just haul around a big ridgid tool box when I worked industrial construction. No longer doing that so I traded it in for a Model 3 and I love it.

  • Reply Ka Nahn January 28, 2020 at 3:45 pm

    Thumbs down for ads in the middle. Paid for premium for a reason 🤮

  • Reply TheHuell January 28, 2020 at 4:00 pm

    Rip Kobe

  • Reply Tony Montana January 28, 2020 at 4:01 pm

    You’re wrong. If that was the case the Honda ridge line would sell more. I tow 4000lbs about 4 times a week so yes towing is important

  • Reply Tony Montana January 28, 2020 at 4:03 pm

    I get a truck that can tow 13,000 pounds so I can tow 4-7 thousand pounds comfortably

  • Reply Hass Mchasserson January 28, 2020 at 4:17 pm

    Ben, your assumption that there won't be enough energy storage in cybertruck to tow with is incorrect. Towing tests have shown that range decreases by about 50%, so the 500 mile range cybertruck should get around 200-250 miles towing a heavy load. My current f250 6.7L diesel, towing 10,000 lbs gets about 220-250 miles range per 30 gallons or so…so why don't you think there isn't enough energy storage to tow again?

  • Reply Esmys termite contr January 28, 2020 at 4:31 pm

    O-60 in 2.5 seconds??. You dont need that in L.A. specially when driving 30 miles takes almost 3 hours on the L.A FREEWAYS

  • Reply Artem Khomishen January 28, 2020 at 4:41 pm

    I wish someone figured out how far I can tow my 5-6k trailer with the three models of the cybertruck. Towing my boat and travel trailer is a must. I bet that the cybertruck can only go 50% of its stated range when towing even a fairly light trailer of 5-6k pounds.

  • Reply Phrinkle January 28, 2020 at 4:45 pm

    I think the 500 mile range cybertruck holds more energy than most trucks on a full tank. It will have a full tank every morning. So if you use your truck enough that you would use more than a full tank of gas in a day often then the cybertruck isn't for you because refuelling will take longer… Unless you have a lvl 2 charger on the job site… But if you use more than a tank of gas a day, probably stick with ice for now. If you don't need to refuel more than once a day, then the cybertruck will save alot of time and money. No trips to gas station. No need for generators or compressors on job site. A ice truck will probably be better if you do long hauls frequently for now.

  • Reply Tom Hill January 28, 2020 at 4:46 pm

    Very correct. 99% of the trucks I see on the road are not pulling anything and have nothing in the back.
    Was tempted to get a truck to pull my 4000lb travel trailer but when the final cost came in it was over $40,000CAD. Couldn't justify spending that amount on a truck I didn't need and would only really use maybe 3 or 4 times in the summer.
    I decided to stick with my 2009 GMC Acadia. It pulls my trailer just fine, although uses a lot of fuel while doing it. It's done me just fine. Even drove from Alberta, Canada to Yellowstone a couple of years ago.

  • Reply Garry Collins January 28, 2020 at 4:48 pm

    I'm in construction. You nailed it. The other big problem with the Tesla is their bed design takes away half of the utility. The Chevy Avalanche is another example. High sides that require you to use the rear of the truck to access in many cases. I can see the Rivian making inroads in construction, if they are not hauling a crew and spending hundreds of dollars in labor waiting for the recharge. A good truck for a superintendent.

  • Reply J L January 28, 2020 at 4:51 pm

    It's big, it's eye popping, it is something like you have never seen before, it's tough, it has the traction, it has incredible range, it gets you there in a hurry, it is something that is going to be talked about for the rest of your life after the ride, it gives you the silly stupefying grin that just won't go away and it's the most fun you will ever have with your clothes on. Cheers, John L. In Fairlawn Virginia USA

  • Reply DJ Ash January 28, 2020 at 5:00 pm

    If the general public changes to all electric the construction vehicles will contribute a smaller percentage of pollution until we solve the battery problem

  • Reply John Mendenhall January 28, 2020 at 5:24 pm

    To better illustrate heavy duty truck utility and efficiency relating to energy density, do the math on the chemical potential energy in X gallons of gas/diesel multiplied by the efficiency of an ICE engine to utilize that energy. Compare that to energy density of a battery multiplied by the efficiency of a motor to do Newtonian work. Energy density of petrol fuels makes them better suited for these tasks even though efficiency is relatively low. This is also why Hydrogen as a fuel will never take off.

  • Reply Nathaniel Moran January 28, 2020 at 5:27 pm

    Okay as a truck guy I can tell you that that data is nonsense I live in the country and almost everyone I know tows with their truck. Second of all you don’t understand truck buyers if you think 0-60 times matter. Now I like Tesla and think the Cybertruck is cool but I just don’t see it being an f-150 replacement.

  • Reply Pro M January 28, 2020 at 5:51 pm

    You mean most Ferrari's. The 458 2014 Ferrari gets 0 to 60 in 3.0 seconds. Pretty dumb statement saying 90s Ferraris. If the Cybertruck does 2.9 it's faster than most sports cars now. Lastly I could careless about Tesla.

  • Reply Stephen Ferris January 28, 2020 at 5:54 pm

    There are too many things wrong with this truck:
    While it can go 250-500 miles and tow up to 14000 but it cannot do both (TFL/Deboss garage)
    If one tows the truck will get 100-200 miles. Even worse during winter conditions
    If one is driving long distance
    45-60 min charge vs 2min refueling
    Most EVs are only conducive if one has one's own home, garage and 240V charger
    Most 2 car garages are 20ft x 20ft. The Cybertruck is 19.3ft long. While the F150, Ram, Silverado crew cabs also cannot fit in a garage either but they don't have to.
    Truck bed shape is very inconvenient to get things out unless its at the front of the bed.
    Style too outlandish.

  • Reply couerl January 28, 2020 at 7:08 pm

    My Tundra is 10 years old now and I use it all the time. No one cares what the 0-60 in a truck is, you should delete this crap. lol Seriously, people buy trucks for what they can do, tow, 4-wheel, haul, plow, lift AND they are daily drivers so gas mileage is important too. A tundra gets about 15 mpg on a good day downhill, so if the cybertruck can match all of the above criteria and still be cheaper to drive day to day then it will win. They will need to bridge the 1000 mile range for them to take over though.

  • Reply Warren Bowman January 28, 2020 at 7:17 pm

    I beg to differ. I regularly tow a teardrop trailer with my Model 3. Which I love, despite the resulting loss in range. Cybertruck could tow my trailer with much less of a range loss, and the storage in the bed of the truck would be fantastic.

  • Reply Just Doin Florida January 28, 2020 at 7:36 pm

    Ben, I’m just gonna have to disagree with you on this one. While yes, not everybody is towing often with a truck, the amount of usable space you get in a truck is insane. My family was never really a truck family until we actually had one ourselves to tow our boat and haul stuff in the bed. It’s so much easier to have a truck say if you’re going to baseball games or scuba diving or just going on a road trip with a lot of luggage. You don’t realize a trucks value until you actually have one yourself.

  • Reply christopher johnson January 28, 2020 at 7:39 pm

    100% on target with your information.

  • Reply Edward Ethridge January 28, 2020 at 7:41 pm

    Ben you OBVIOUSLY don’t and never had a truck!!
    🙄

  • Reply Edward Ethridge January 28, 2020 at 7:44 pm

    Thanks Ben for telling us that petroleum is here to stay, YIPPEE!!!😎👍

  • Reply Jehiah Maduro January 28, 2020 at 7:56 pm

    Hmm. You might want to rethink that last argument on towing. The biggest statement on towing will come in the form of Tesla's Semi-truck. It will be all electric with comparable stats to the ICE versions

  • Reply Dallas Smith January 28, 2020 at 8:22 pm

    I tow with my 2004 Dodge 3500 fairly regularly as I own a farm with livestock. I also have a wood stove, so you can extrapolate that I use the bed a lot. I was interested in the cybertruck as a commuter/ hunting rig.

  • Reply Sasquatch 2001 January 28, 2020 at 8:55 pm

    truck "fan boys" we'll call them, love em because they're very comfortable, fast and give those good feels which is the most important thing for some.

  • Reply Jeff Zahnd January 28, 2020 at 9:13 pm

    I can’t wait to tow my boat to the lake and back, without spending 60 bucks in fuel!

  • Reply Kenneth Bowden January 28, 2020 at 9:16 pm

    I tow 4500-5000 lbs 4-5 times per year, this year about 10 times so far, usually under 50 miles, haul stuff about once per month and go off-road (not counting the rock crawler) about every other month. I pre-ordered the Cybertruck a few days after the unveiling. We will still keep our F-150 for long range towing for reasons stated in the video.

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