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How To Avoid Embarrassing Yourself In An Argument – Jordan Peterson

August 15, 2019


We’ve all found ourselves in conversation and felt attacked like we started off talking about one thing and then the other person twisted our words and before we knew it, we lost our cool,
lost respect in their eyes, and maybe even acted like a jerk. Now, I don’t normally do the same person twice in a row but this interview between Cathy Newman and Jordan Peterson was just too interesting of an opportunity to discuss how you can handle someone who uses subtle conversational tricks to bully you into looking dumb. So in this video, you’re gonna see firsthand some of the most common tricks that people might be using on you and you’re also gonna learn how to reverse those so that you can walk out of a kind of aggressive situation having earned more respect than you had going in. So first off, to stop a conversational bully, you have to realize what’s going on before it’s too late. Now, typically, a person will reveal their aggressive attitude early on with their tone of voice and their word choice — kind of like this — …but I wasn’t specifically aiming this message at young men to begin with; it just kind of turned out that way but— And it’s mostly, you admit, it’s mostly men listening. In this case, Cathy is indicating very clearly that
she thinks Jordan has done something wrong. Otherwise, why would she use the word “admit?” She makes her stance clear a moment later when she implies
that he should be bothered for being divisive. Just watch. Does it bother you that your audience is predominantly male? Is that a bit divisive? The point here is that even when they’re being passive-aggressive, people will often indicate that they’re about to attack you before they actually do. So if you hear someone say something like, “Well, what do you have to say for yourself?” be prepared. That person thinks that you’ve done something wrong and you need to be very careful what you say next not because you did do something wrong but because a conversational bully may be trying to trap you into saying something that you disagree with so that they can attack that straw man. And the first way that this often happens is called
the “so-you’re-saying trap.” Here’s what it looks like. So you’re saying women have some sort of
duty to sort of help fix the crisis of masculinity? Women want to dominate — is that what you’re saying? So you’re saying that anyone who believes in equality whether
you call them feminists or whatever you want to call them should basically give up because “it ain’t gonna happen.” Let me just get this straight; you’re saying that we should
organize our societies along the lines of the lobsters. The general pattern here is that someone says, “So you’re saying…” and then proceeds to oversimplify or mischaracterize what you actually said. I won’t spend too long here because it’s very easy to spot and it’s rather simple to avoid and get around by saying, “Well, actually, what I was saying is…” and then repeat yourself. …along the lines of the lobsters. I’m saying that it’s inevitable that there will be continuity in the way that animals and human beings organize their structures. But there’s a much sneakier way that people may
mischaracterize your beliefs and then attack them. Basically, it’s when someone’s words imply that you
believe something you don’t and they don’t actually say it. So in business, they call this “assuming the sale” like when a car salesman says, “So would you like that with the leather interior or with the
fabric interior?” before you even decided to buy the car. Now, with the several thousand dollar purchase, you’re likely to notice this and say, “Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who said I was buying in the first place?” But it’s very likely that this is happening to you in conversation
all the time and you don’t even notice. Here’s how it might look. [Cathy talks over Jordan] Yeah, but why?
Why should woman put up with those reasons? Embedding the question “why should women put up with it?”
are several important presuppositions; namely — one, that there is something to put up with and two,
that Jordan thinks woman should put up with it. Now, the trap here for Jordan would be to answer Cathy’s question directly and many of us fall into it in similar situations then we start arguing for things that we don’t even really believe just out of habit. Instead, you need to identify that hidden presupposition and then call it out. So watch how carefully Jordan listens to Cathy’s questions so that he can catch what she’s not saying. “Why should women put up with it?” I’m not saying they
should put up with it. I’m saying that the claim— Here’s another example of assuming-the-sale from later in that conversation. See if you can spot the hidden presupposition and
ask yourself what you might say to respond to it. …which women do a lot of. But why shouldn’t women have the right to choose not to have children? So what’s the hidden presupposition — that Jordan thinks women must have children. And of course,
he defends a woman’s right to make any decision about that. …the right to choose and demand it, correct? They do. They can. Yeah, that’s fine. But you’re saying that makes them unhappy. Here’s one more example. See if you can spot the hidden presupposition here. [Cathy talks over Jordan] So you want to say to your
followers now, “Quit the abuse. Quit the anger.” Did you catch it? The presupposition is that Jordan’s followers are abusing people. Now, he can’t answer that question directly; he has
to address that hidden point first and he does. Well, we’d need some substantial examples of the abuse
and the anger before I could detail that question. There’s a lot of it out there. When I cut the clips like this, it makes it very easy to see these
hidden presuppositions but in real time, this can be difficult. One simple thing that you can do to make it easier on yourself is to purposely assume a relaxed posture as Jordan does throughout this entire conversation. Now, this posture actually helps you to think less frantically because your body is signalling to your brain that everything is okay; you’re in control. You’ll also want to give yourself some time to pause after each question which Jordan definitely does. In addition, you’re going to want to study up on frames and frame games because there’s a clearly a whole level of conversation that is going on behind the words. Now, I’ve talked about this in other videos specifically the one on Tyrion Lanister from Game of Thrones and I’ll leave a link to that in the description if you want to check it out. Moving along though, the last clip contains a small
example of the third conversational bully tactic in this video which I’m naming the “smash technique.” Take a look. [Cathy talks over Jordan] So you want to say to your
followers now, “Quit the abuse. Quit the anger.” It’s subtle here but Cathy smashes together
two very different terms — abuse and anger. Now, by ending on anger, it would be easier for
Jordan to just forget it and answer the question. But that would tacitly accept that his followers were abusing people. That’s why the smash technique is so frustrating; people are
embedding hidden statements that you actually disagree with and then moving through them before you have the time to voice that disagreement. You may also have seen people barrage you with questions just to overwhelm you into having to accept their points like this — …otherwise, why would that only be seven women
running FTSE 100 companies in the UK? Why would there still be a pay gap… [Jordan talks over Cathy] Why are women at the BBC saying that they’re getting paid illegally less than men— It can be easy to get overwhelmed and to lose focus as you try to answer all of these questions but with the smash technique in general, the best policy is to slow down the tempo of conversation and tackle one question or one point at a time. Let’s just go to the first question; those both are complicated questions. So hopefully, now you’re more aware of the so-you’re-saying trap when people “assume the sale” and of course, the smash technique. This moves us to the second section of this video which is how to persuade someone in these kinds of situations. And I will say, it seems to me that it doesn’t look like Jordan is necessarily trying to change Cathy’s mind but simply to debate in front of an audience. There are still some valuable tips to be gleamed
from this video and a few things that I’d add First, do not straw man the other person’s ideas even if they’re doing it to you. And to be clear, I don’t know if I mentioned this, straw manning is when you create a caricature of their ideas
and then attack those rather than what they truly believe. Instead, show the other person that you are truly engaging in their real points, attempt to understand them, and sometimes this mean that
you have to ask them to repeat themselves so that you can. Seven? Seven women… repeat that one— Seven women running the top FTSE 100 companies in the UK. Well, the first question might be. After you’ve made an honest attempt to understand them, you need to make sure that they can understand you which is necessary for persuasion. And to do that, you often have to use the visual imagery. For instance, here’s a very abstract point without any images that Jordan makes. …that it’s inevitable that there will be continuity in the way
that animals and human beings organize their structures. It’s absolutely inevitable. And there is one-third of
a billion years of evolutionary history behind that. Now, maybe you can understand that but it kind of lacks any emotional oomph. But notice how the addition of a concrete example
makes that one-third of a billion years just feel different. That’s so long that a third of a billion years ago,
there weren’t even trees; it’s a long time. So adding concrete examples especially ones that people can easily imagine is a smart persuasive move and lastly, when you’re arguing, oftentimes the best way to get someone to change their position is not by changing their mind but by gently showing them that they are already agreeing with you. I talked about this in the frame video but here’s an example from this interview. Why should your rights to freedom of speech
trump a trans-person’s right not to be offended? Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive. I mean, look at the conversation we’re having right now. You know, like, you’re certainly willing to risk offending me in the pursuit of truth. Why should you have the right to do that? It’s been rather uncomfortable. This is huge. Jordan is no longer arguing that her point is wrong; he’s arguing that she already agrees with him —
her behavior and her previous statements demonstrate that she cares more about free speech than not offending people. And then Jordan doesn’t try to make this point wrong;
he shows her how they’re actually very much in alignment. You’re doing what you should do which is
digging a bit to see what the hell’s going on. And I gave you what you should do but you’re exercising
your freedom of speech to certainly risk offending me. And that’s fine. I think — more power to you as far as I’m concerned. And then of course Cathy feels stumped because she
does actually agree with Jordan and she’s proven it herself. People have a strong desire to remain consistent with things they’ve already said and done so oftentimes, this becomes one of the few ways to persuade someone who’s really dug in their heels. You’re basically showing them that they don’t have to move in order to agree with you; they already do right where they’re dug in. And then of course, Jordan hits her with the “gotcha.” …uh, and… [sighs] I’m just trying to work that out but I mean… [sighs] Jordan: Hah. Gotcha.
Cathy: You have got me. You have got me. Even though I laughed at that phrase at the time I was watching the interview, I have to say that last bit “gotcha” does not improve Jordan’s persuasive case. It actually makes Cathy feel silly and wrong as opposed to happy to discover that she and Jordan are really on the same team all along and if I had to give one last point of constructive criticism, it would be that Jordan answered all of Cathy’s questions rather than trying to proactively address her deeper unstated emotional concern. And in my opinion, that emotional concern is that Jordan is her enemy — that if he believes something, it must be against her interests. If Jordan could have found that and pointed to a more common ground that they share which we all of course have, I don’t think the interview would have continued in such an argumentative fashion but Jordan’s role isn’t necessarily to convince Cathy Newman of anything — it’s to debate for an audience and to promote his book which I think he did at an A+ level. If you think that I missed something or you just want to discuss, leave a comment below. I’m actually to be checking periodically but I will be most active in the comments for that first hour after the video goes live which is now 2 p.m. Eastern on Mondays so hit subscribe and hit the notification bell to make sure that you’re notified when I am here and chatting. That way you can hop on if you want to discuss anything with me or if you have a question that you’d like to ask. I also think that this video makes a very strong companion for both the Tyrion video that I mentioned about frames which are super interesting and the previous Jordan Peterson video which will teach you how to get respect without being a bully so click the screen if you want to check either of those out. Hopefully, you guys enjoyed this video and I will see you in the next one.

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100 Comments

  • Reply Overcharge August 10, 2019 at 9:02 am

    Jordan Peterson is a decent psychologist, but his philosophy is laughable.

  • Reply Chris Crews August 10, 2019 at 9:15 am

    Good breakdown.

  • Reply Eugenia S August 10, 2019 at 11:03 am

    This is excellent

  • Reply Julio Rodriguez August 10, 2019 at 12:31 pm

    She can barely contain herself, she wants to bring this man down so bad.

  • Reply Steppenkater August 10, 2019 at 1:04 pm

    Best moment: "Gotcha"

  • Reply Tom Cat August 10, 2019 at 2:29 pm

    She Sounds like Kellyanne

  • Reply J. Damn August 10, 2019 at 5:54 pm

    If you quit talking I'm maybe I could hear the conversation instead of just two words and then your paragraph

  • Reply kertdalandan August 10, 2019 at 6:38 pm

    6.6k whaman disliked this video

  • Reply Tommy AbdAllah August 10, 2019 at 6:58 pm

    Feminism is cancer!

  • Reply Muzaffar Krylov August 10, 2019 at 11:27 pm

    Kathy who?

  • Reply Bill T August 11, 2019 at 12:01 am

    The reason Jordan wasn't trying to change her mind is because she was in attack mode. There's no possibility of changing minds when the interviewer isn't acting in good faith. Had she been genuine, he likely would have the goal of trying to convince her.

  • Reply Morpheus August 11, 2019 at 12:14 am

    Cathy Newman tried to do a hit piece, her goal was to discredit Jordan all through the interview, regardless of what he thought or said or his true character. Jordan knew he was under attack from a media propagandist, therefore he did not strive for 'common ground' because he knew it would be pointless. His goal was to convince the audience not the interviewer, and he succeeded.

  • Reply Live Free Or die August 11, 2019 at 3:15 am

    Good job but your analysis is almost all common sense.

  • Reply Ben V August 11, 2019 at 3:48 am

    Jordan Peterson is an underrated legend. ALSO this is a GREAT explanation/break down.

  • Reply jinzojar August 11, 2019 at 8:14 am

    she brought up the wage gap

  • Reply 12 legged Sasquatch.. August 11, 2019 at 10:42 am

    She was attempting to demonize him.. this was clear to him and it was an offensive attitude from her.. she made it a personal battle and this continued under the surface.. he knew it too. So the "Gotcha" comment was a more personal one between them.. one that he wad perfectly entitled to make.

  • Reply Finoula Mc August 11, 2019 at 1:14 pm

    ‘So your saying’ ….is like holding a Debate in sixth form school. The reporter has literally put together a stream of sentences full of her opinion but not allowing him to respond. I really like how you put this together!! Very illustrative. It good and informative

  • Reply Flying Solo August 11, 2019 at 3:19 pm

    She surely has never been smashed.
    And, Rule # 13 is Don't talk to Women.

  • Reply Diana Riverjackson August 11, 2019 at 3:33 pm

    Peterson: I don’t think milk is particularly healthy for the human body
    Interviewer: So you’re saying we should mass murder all cows?

  • Reply Jessy Weeks August 11, 2019 at 8:36 pm

    These videos make me want to get into an argument just so I can see how much I've internalized the advice

  • Reply Jane Longden August 11, 2019 at 8:39 pm

    He's God on Earth, for sure.

  • Reply kim warfield August 11, 2019 at 9:19 pm

    He is actually using the tone scale on her and she does not even know it.

  • Reply rabbit uchiha August 11, 2019 at 11:06 pm

    To this day, I will never understand how your videos get large amount of dislikes…. Your videos are fantastic.

  • Reply Patrick Robinson August 11, 2019 at 11:34 pm

    I met her in person once. She smelled awful.
    Let's just say – Feminine Hygiene is NOT her strong suite and leave it at that.

  • Reply Ryan Ferguson August 12, 2019 at 12:17 am

    So your saying, so your saying, so you said, your saying lol lol

  • Reply redrose 7734 August 12, 2019 at 3:58 am

    Cathy Newman tried very hard with her limited cerebral power to take an upper hand, as many other journalists for other stations tried also. It started to be something of a contest amongst journalists as to who could make him look bad in some way. He had a simple purpose, to promote his book, but the media most definitely got out of hand and made him so much more famous in doing so.

  • Reply Richard Bartholomew August 12, 2019 at 5:39 am

    Peterson: sips water
    Newman: ‘So you’re saying we should let Africa die of thirst?’

  • Reply manu de backer August 12, 2019 at 7:55 am

    Feminists these days are simply obsessed with the idea of taking a man down because they get a kick out of it. You can see it in their bodylanguage too like in this woman.

  • Reply Moj I August 12, 2019 at 10:29 am

    Cary Newman: “almost destroys” Jordan
    Jordan Peterson: I’m about to end this girl’s whole career

  • Reply Malcolm Ball August 12, 2019 at 10:51 am

    Taking on JP when you have the intellect of a Herring!!!!

  • Reply Peter Palffy August 12, 2019 at 1:24 pm

    does anyone know what Newman was trying to actually accomplish here?

  • Reply Martin Cline August 12, 2019 at 3:30 pm

    News MAN: Isn't Cosmo primarily women readers?

    Editor of cosmo: Yes!

    News MAN: Isn't that rather divisive?

  • Reply ACourtneyP August 12, 2019 at 3:47 pm

    her make-up was put on with a trowel

  • Reply Sunny B August 12, 2019 at 3:57 pm

    So you're saying could also be used productively for clarification too not just to mischaracterize.

  • Reply Duofold August 12, 2019 at 4:45 pm

    Wonderful.  

    Alas, Cathy Newman is typical of the distillation of left-wing bias manifest in the mainstream media, here in the UK, Think Bernie Sanders, writ large and feeding poor Newman.

    I say 'that isn't what i said, and it isn't what I thought.' My wife sobs, 'you just overwhelm with superior brain and your constant rationality. It's not fair'. Two days later I have to give her a hug in order to stop her crying, and move her back to the marital bed. And then I say I'm sorry, which saves her from saying sorry. Such condescension! And believe me – my wife is seriously clever: MUCH brainier than me.

    Be on constant lookout for the words – it's not fair.

  • Reply owl August 12, 2019 at 7:39 pm

    Yeah I should have watched this like 15 years ago but thanks

  • Reply Vishnu Eshwar August 12, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    Peterson's Intution is on another level

  • Reply Zabi Dost August 12, 2019 at 8:16 pm

    Women like this is what's wrong with this society. Ya I said it lol

  • Reply Stewart Boyer August 12, 2019 at 8:48 pm

    The one thing I would write is that this was an ambush. Cathy or Kathy (don't really care) gave one impression pre-interview and then proceeded to go on the attack during the broadcast. To assume that Dr. Peterson should have known her duplicitous intent is a bit unfair. Had he known it was hostile territory I guarantee he would have verbally eviscerated her and destroyed the underlying emotional issue.
    This is Jordan Peterson caught off guard. Can you imagine the verbal and psychological beating he would administer with a little prep?

  • Reply Chang Noi August 12, 2019 at 9:12 pm

    It’s like a verbal tennis match where she’s smashing the ball over the net and he’s casually returning them which annoys her no end. She thinks she has devastatingly conclusive arguments and he’s just battling them back showing how fallacious they are. So I’m saying she’s not going to invite him back too soon.

  • Reply Soaring Hawk August 12, 2019 at 9:34 pm

    Sounds like she is uncomfortable and unhappy being a woman

  • Reply gotarmadillo August 12, 2019 at 9:51 pm

    First, why do you want to argue with anyone? Are you a political jerk? Is our opinion really going to champagne anything ? Or, is it all just ego? I gave up listening to politics and find that I have no need to argue and lot more energy for more rewarding things about which no one wants to argue.

  • Reply Benjamin Istvan Cseko August 12, 2019 at 10:38 pm

    Again, I think "Gotcha!" was a mistake, because it released her from the awkard speechlessness in which she was going through cognitive dissonance. It disrupted her transformation. It got her to like him, but did it allow her to go through the struggle to change her false convictions? Jordan is nice, he released her. I may have let her suffer in the awkward silence (I'm not nice).

  • Reply Oldstuff Man August 12, 2019 at 11:56 pm

    now do Jordan Peterson deflections.

  • Reply BoerChris August 13, 2019 at 1:01 am

    Good commentary.

  • Reply nPC# 196294629462846936969420.mp4 August 13, 2019 at 1:51 am

    SO WHAT YOU’RE SAYING

  • Reply 이재광 August 13, 2019 at 5:16 am

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  • Reply NeoTheOne August 13, 2019 at 6:07 am

    After being raised by narcissist parents, being a targeted individual, and being trolled out of social existence by everyone I used to know that’s a psycho hive mind leftist. I know all about demonic, mentally ill and communist tactics in the most insane of us that are running the prison we call society and the now blatantly obvious trickledown effect into every facet of society.

  • Reply Nexter Biggs August 13, 2019 at 6:27 am

    I only learned that she is a bit*h.

  • Reply DJMZ August 13, 2019 at 6:49 am

    Love your videos Man ! ❤️ keep up the good work

  • Reply Ken Kendall August 13, 2019 at 8:26 am

    If I were to guess I'd bet "Gotcha" was the one part that Jordan regretted saying.

  • Reply Espen Uldal August 13, 2019 at 10:22 am

    I saw this interview when it was aired. It is quite some time ago, and I still go back to see how Jordan Peterson just nailed this attack like a champ. Cathy Newman must be wishing that reruns and YouTube were not invented, because she is a historic disgrace to everything she represents like her gender and job.

  • Reply House of Zuma August 13, 2019 at 1:08 pm

    Its so bad..alot of british reporters are alot better than her…

  • Reply Ideges_Csillag August 13, 2019 at 1:37 pm

    I was just discussing assertiveness vs. aggression with my therapist and thought of this video. For the longest time I've never understood how to be assertive without being aggressive. Still feeling confused after my session I thought I'd look up how its signed in ASL (I'm learning sign language so I thought maybe seeing how its expressed via sign maybe I can understand the difference between the two). Come to find out… Its the same sign! Your tone (facial expression or body language) makes it one or the other. This video is a perfect example of this.. Jordan is calm and collected. Matter of Fact with his points. Whereas the journalist is very aggressive with hers.

  • Reply NotReallyABlessing August 13, 2019 at 1:50 pm

    The thing is, why does the guy get put through the wringer at all? I thought we lived in a patriarchy where men call all the shots and have all the power? It seems rather that questioning ANYTHING that women do, gets you the misogynist label.

  • Reply rvhron08 August 13, 2019 at 2:19 pm

    LOL whenever someone gives me the, passive aggressive, tactic, I just go right to Aggressive/aggressive. As in, that’s absolutely the dumbest thing I’ve heard anyone say all day.
    You should see the looks on their faces. They immediately become defensive. My point, if the front door is open, way walk around to a side door.

  • Reply Samantha Peters August 13, 2019 at 2:58 pm

    "So Jordan your audience think you are the voice behind Kermit the frog?"

  • Reply Tom Brooks August 13, 2019 at 3:38 pm

    I agree with Jordan but his assumption of a billion years of evolutionary history is where he fails and creates a fallacy himself of assumption. Macro Evolution is not a fact and a common designer is a far better explanation to how life arose and the history of the universe, but I digress.

  • Reply Whitt McKinney August 13, 2019 at 5:01 pm

    I really appreciate this approach. Seeing & hearing it happen not only makes the point crystal clear, but provides the cues–tone, expression, body language–as well. Thank you for pursuing excellence!

    Have to say, though, as an "audient," I enjoyed watching the "interviewer" reap what she had sown. Her befuddlement was delicious. Peterson knew his crowd was chanting "Kill," threw aside his cape, and finished off the bull. Excellent television!
    Again, thanks for a very instructive video that totally held my interest!

  • Reply H Holland August 13, 2019 at 5:38 pm

    Very good work, and I for one never tire of JBP’s excellent interviews and work, so use him all you can!

  • Reply Rabid Farmer August 13, 2019 at 5:54 pm

    You need a life dude… this is boring.

  • Reply Strawberry7Lynn August 13, 2019 at 6:43 pm

    Strawman argument? Can you do an easy-to-understand explanation of what that phrase means?

  • Reply Koba 101 August 13, 2019 at 7:01 pm

    This women is repulsive. No hidden agenda whatsoever right.

  • Reply N Mil August 13, 2019 at 7:19 pm

    Charisma on Command revealing himself to be a beta male and Leftist goon. ROFL! Why did I even click? Need to stop giving this loser views for his monetary gain.

  • Reply wlodell August 13, 2019 at 7:44 pm

    Great presentation!

  • Reply Rasp Berry August 13, 2019 at 8:41 pm

    Ok, I lost, but I didn't really felt like the prize is something worth fighting for, especially if it's a win-defeat kind of conversation. It's more like an art of itself. Do we want to talk or win each other in debates? Go win, whatever.

  • Reply Darren Bolger August 13, 2019 at 9:30 pm

    Cathy Newman and Jordan Peterson on the same team? I know you`re trying to be diplomatic, but asserting such a thing couldn `t be further from the truth. She was out to annihilate him on live TV. Furthermore, if she was being disingenuous the whole time, then maybe some humiliation was in order, and the "Gotcha" was a sweet victory and a good helping of humble pie that she thoroughly deserved. On a final note, the free speech she agrees with is a corruption of it, namely free speech for her but not for anyone who opposes her socially accepted psychosis. What she was trying to work out is how to gloss over the fact that she`s an infernal hypocrite, but there was simply no way out of it. Rules for thee but not for me.

  • Reply Steve Garai August 13, 2019 at 9:37 pm

    The interviewer was not after solving her unstated "emotional concerns", it was to attack his positions, so I have to disagree with your premise that you state at the end of your piece.

  • Reply Love Blues Everyday August 13, 2019 at 10:58 pm

    9:20. Checkmate. Clear Rope a dope tactic by Jordan.

  • Reply Common Sense August 13, 2019 at 11:08 pm

    you see this smash technique all the time but I didnt realise till today that it was actually a strategy & that some interviewers might be trained in it & doing it on purpose – you see this all the time from the likes of James O'Brien & various Newsnight presenters in the UK for example

  • Reply Be Judged August 13, 2019 at 11:22 pm

    This was good!!!

  • Reply Somnath Bhattacharjee August 13, 2019 at 11:26 pm

    I almost thought Quentin Tarantino was the narrator.

  • Reply Jimmy Durex August 13, 2019 at 11:57 pm

    Cathy Newman got pumped.

  • Reply Alika Kianga August 14, 2019 at 1:28 am

    @CharismaOnCommand
    Can you do the debate between Joe Rogan and Adam Conover?

  • Reply Anthony Faiell August 14, 2019 at 2:05 am

    I remember watching this interview and thinking to myself that I would definitely not have handled this nearly as well as Peterson. This woman would be getting my full wrath. Like how ignorant is this woman??

  • Reply Yelian Garcia August 14, 2019 at 3:52 am

    This is what happens when you let yourself be guided by emotion when reason, logic, and evidence are the three dimensions that define clarity of thought…human emotions add flavor to the human experience, not clarity of thought.

  • Reply David Gardiner August 14, 2019 at 11:41 am

    Jordan is too smart not to have seen video of her interviewing technique and to have prepared how to deflate a one dimensional; walking ego. She also works for Channel 4 in Britain, where actual debate is infrequent to put it mildly.

  • Reply Barb DeSouza August 14, 2019 at 1:08 pm

    Women are to emotional to spar with men. They were created for children and home….

  • Reply Rudolf Sykora August 14, 2019 at 1:41 pm

    I think this man could do better for us if he would do something else instead of argumenting persons that have to become prostitutes before getting theirs job

  • Reply Gary Lake August 14, 2019 at 2:32 pm

    It would have helped if Newman had read Peterson's book, (which, having read it myself, she clearly has not read it), rather than delivering sound bites cherry picked by her backroom team, its just lazy journalism wrapped under the Channel 4 Brand.

    If an amateur boxer climbs into the ring with a seasoned professional, then the pro has two choices, go on the offensive, or let them wear themselves out before just delivering a deft jab, from which they never recover their poise, the true pro lets the amateur learn a lesson, if the amateur wishes to learn.

    Newman is a walking talking strawman, a caricature of enormous proportions.

  • Reply Bear Knight August 14, 2019 at 6:00 pm

    Jordan peterson is a liar, and is an attempt to gatekeep the nationalist and christians.

    Former Peterson fan

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  • Reply Leslie Anderson August 14, 2019 at 7:13 pm

    Jordan was not trying to win any points with Cathy. His goal was the listening audience. No amount of cajoling will help in this situation to win her over. His purpose was to help the audience get past her sophistry and see the truth of the matter. And he was masterful in doing so.

  • Reply k weaver August 14, 2019 at 7:50 pm

    Most epic comment section ever

  • Reply TeddyLeppard August 14, 2019 at 9:59 pm

    It would be incorrect for an interviewee to assume an interviewer was expressing their actual belief. They may simply be following a script.

  • Reply CV Berton August 15, 2019 at 1:26 am

    Good points. The way I debate is based on how Christ debated. You ask the question that gets to the core of the matter, and you know when you've asked that question when your opponent does everything BUT answer it directly. You dig in your heals at that point and say, "If you don't answer that question, the debate is over and you've lost. A debate has to be a back and forth dialogue or you're just talking to yourself."

  • Reply Baruch Cohen August 15, 2019 at 1:42 am

    The agenda was strategically, planned, by Channel 4 News. Newman was merely the puppet, the figure-head of sorts. She was coached epically, but stilled failed "at her job." Her handlers were quite upset I imagine.

  • Reply Q The First Timelord August 15, 2019 at 2:15 am

    Excellent example, Jordan. One thought though – at the end, you suggested the "Gotcha" comment may have been in bad form. The interviewer had set up a sparring match which – you could plainly see – she was attempting to reconcile what he'd just said in an attempt to come up with a response to keep the match going. What he did, in my opinion, was brilliant. He created closure for her in her mind to prevent the continuation of the sparring match, and did so with an air of well needed levity. Sure, he knew she'd go home and complain about that smug bastard, but he also knew there was an audience to consider and they were the real ones his statement was directed at.

    MY bet is. Had he never stated this, you'd never have found the video. That's the importance of how he ended that debate.

  • Reply It's what You make it August 15, 2019 at 2:43 am

    Ain't.

  • Reply Fanaticalplel Oof August 15, 2019 at 3:10 am

    That woman is like a Karen thinking she’s a professional mind twister.

  • Reply Hash Vendetta August 15, 2019 at 4:33 am

    "How does your right to free speech trump a trans person's right to not feel uncomfortable?"
    Imagine the level of lunacy you'd have to get to, to think this was a legitimate statement. We're accelerating into a world of delusional and dangerous thought policing, that most thought was impossible. What's going to happen when we reach an unavoidable impass with the people?

  • Reply Watch This August 15, 2019 at 4:44 am

    Socratic Method would also work here…..what do you mean by….the question you just asked

  • Reply Koil Zimbabwe August 15, 2019 at 5:30 am

    Impressive, most impressive

  • Reply Semicon07 August 15, 2019 at 10:37 am

    Very in-depth and incisive video mate!

  • Reply Oggy Gamer August 15, 2019 at 10:59 am

    She is a big B

  • Reply Attuahene Mensah August 15, 2019 at 1:32 pm

    This man is a seasoned psychologist. This is his bread and butter.

  • Reply EJ Cash August 15, 2019 at 1:44 pm

    It appears that Newman's agenda in this interview was to ridicule and destroy Jordan's credibility and make him look like a right wing nut job. She didn't realize that she entered his domain and she had already lost this debate before it even started.

  • Reply Prince Kalender August 15, 2019 at 1:58 pm

    I enjoy her breakdown. Have your like 😀

  • Reply wenwen Zuo August 15, 2019 at 2:42 pm

    Wow you analyze so much about who wins ha! Do they represent all women and men like in general?

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