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Dune – Plots and Plans – Extra Sci Fi – #2

December 16, 2019

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  • Reply Extra Credits February 19, 2019 at 8:18 am

    To talk about Dune, you have to start with its many plot layers–you might even say, plots within plots within plots…
    Check out the whole Extra Sci Fi reading list here:

  • Reply Lotusdash February 20, 2019 at 12:30 pm

    I have never read it, but I'm named after a character though, Sheeana. I tried reading it when I was younger but it didn’t seem to be something for me. However It has always intrigued me because my name is so rare.

  • Reply DillonMHughes February 20, 2019 at 12:36 pm

    I can't help but feel this summation is oversimplified, though this is Dune we're talking about. Still, to give as much credence to the idea of wrongness being the central theme, or even that Yueh was in control of his encounter with Jessica instead of barely able to hide his transgressions, gives me the impression that you're projecting opinions onto the novel instead of extrapolating and analyzing.

    I was looking forward to this segment of Extra SciFi more than any other, and it's just so disappointing to see this summarized so flatly.

  • Reply empty sky February 20, 2019 at 1:00 pm

    I LOVE the art in this omg

  • Reply conor cleary February 20, 2019 at 1:07 pm

    Brilliant!!! Really enjoying this series!!!!!!

  • Reply Tathrennor February 20, 2019 at 1:21 pm

    I haven't read Dune in nearly 20 years. I think it's time to reread it.

  • Reply Trenton Fye February 20, 2019 at 1:27 pm

    Plots with in Plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots with in plots.

  • Reply Vasilil Stan February 20, 2019 at 1:44 pm

    Hmmm… three or four years ago i tried to read Dune but i got bored because it was so complicated to follow for me. But now, this video makes me want to try again now…

  • Reply decentradical February 20, 2019 at 1:56 pm

    It's pronounced: Piter de Freeze

  • Reply Nick Clinite February 20, 2019 at 1:57 pm

    Huh. I guess all of these characters didn't seem interesting to me because they were taking place in a conversation that I wasn't a part of. It made no impact on me whatsoever that the characters were wrong, or that Hubert was trying to make a point through that.

  • Reply Baron Jay February 20, 2019 at 2:24 pm

    Man this book is too smart for me. Oh well, at least I have Extra Credits to be smart for me just like in History. Keep up the good work guys!

  • Reply Caterfree10 February 20, 2019 at 2:35 pm

    The weaknesses of logic-focused folk is so damn true. Encountered way too many of those types.

  • Reply Art Souls February 20, 2019 at 2:40 pm

    This is such a good series, folks. Great work, really enjoying. <3

  • Reply P K February 20, 2019 at 2:46 pm

    The subtext of Dune is one of the reasons I so dislike Sandworms of Dune (major spoilers ahead!): when Dune quite obviously shows that all heros are flawed ans shouldn't be worshipped, Sandworms ends with literal divine intervention and Duncan becoming essentially an unfailable demi-god. It's a fucking joke.

  • Reply alejandro ojeda February 20, 2019 at 3:12 pm

    I'd love to see the video, I really do, but I started reading dune yesterday because of you. Now I can't watch your videos, what an irony.

  • Reply Rocky Desert Flower February 20, 2019 at 3:15 pm

    I now want to read this book, even though I have been spoiled

  • Reply JamCal-X February 20, 2019 at 3:17 pm

    Dooooooooon! Also, a lack of balance can be the downfall of anything.

  • Reply Colton Handrop February 20, 2019 at 3:29 pm

    I hope you do all the books

  • Reply Crosis101 February 20, 2019 at 3:37 pm

    A thousand deaths are not enough for Doctor Yueh.

  • Reply Inky Bendy February 20, 2019 at 3:42 pm

    Damn,i must read this

  • Reply Merritt Animation February 20, 2019 at 4:15 pm

    "The literal blindest"

    You monster.

  • Reply TheCreepypro February 20, 2019 at 4:16 pm

    wow this sounds fascinating a shame I never read it well time to get on that

  • Reply chazz30000 February 20, 2019 at 4:40 pm

    I have to disagree on the Paul Atredis example of being wrong. Through the whole book since he gained farsight he stressed that he tries to escape the future of the Djihad but that he continuously fails but despite that doesn't stop trying.

    At no point does Paul believe he can truly escape the Djihad but he tires to despite that, and at least manages to mitigate it.

  • Reply egoBorder February 20, 2019 at 4:59 pm

    awesome, you guys are nailing it!

  • Reply luckviii February 20, 2019 at 5:25 pm

    Wow I love this book and even reread it several times and yet did not realize the authors pointing out the weakness of specialization. Very great job and definitely a paradigm shift. Keep up the good job

  • Reply Jari Heiska February 20, 2019 at 6:16 pm

    Where do the character graphics come from?

  • Reply john pardon February 20, 2019 at 6:17 pm

    our library doesn't have it… frikinn

  • Reply shlomi ami February 20, 2019 at 6:41 pm

    More Dune plzzzzzzz

  • Reply Zach Hixson February 20, 2019 at 6:51 pm

    0:03 interlinked

  • Reply Knox Kimball February 20, 2019 at 6:57 pm

    I read dune in two days. TWO DAYS!!

  • Reply Felixkeeg February 20, 2019 at 7:10 pm

    Man, after watching this, I feel like I've never really read the book.

  • Reply scarred child February 20, 2019 at 7:42 pm

    Before reading 'Dune' I thought it was a hoaky sci-fi story about dust and worms and a desert cult. After seeing it in a book store, and deciding to read it because I'd heard people talking about it shortly before, I found out that everything I thought was true… And that it truly deserves every mention and award and the cult following it has. Read it if you like a trippy thought provoking wild ride.

  • Reply newbie McNewberson February 20, 2019 at 7:47 pm

    Holy crap the "Don't worry I did the math" picture had me laughing!

  • Reply AlphaBlaze22 February 20, 2019 at 7:51 pm

    I can't wait to see y'alls video over the themes, reflection and character development of Fate Zero/Unlimited Blade Works!! Its impact has changed the east and the west

  • Reply Soapy February 20, 2019 at 9:13 pm

    I was about 13 when I first read Dune. I didn't understand most of it, so I stopped reading it pretty early. It brings back so much nostalgia just talking about it, and FINALLY UNDERSTANDING the book. I really should read it again sometime

  • Reply Seth Clark February 20, 2019 at 9:54 pm

    I need to reread this series

  • Reply Max Izrin February 20, 2019 at 10:22 pm

    Paul suspects early on that he may not be able to prevent the jihad that is to come if he does not temper his followers.
    So I wouldn't add him on the list of people who are wrong.
    He does his best, it's just not enough.

  • Reply Dylan Hicks February 20, 2019 at 10:36 pm

    Please help! I am dying to listen to the outro music: "Hypothetical", but I can't find it anywhere! I've tried the link in the description, but it only takes me to the artist's website and I can't find it from there. Does anyone have a direct link or know where to find it? I just really want to hear it in it's entirety…
    Thank you

  • Reply CoffeeCaveman February 20, 2019 at 10:54 pm

    This felt like 1 minute, like it had only began when I realized it was over.

  • Reply Earnest Brown February 20, 2019 at 11:06 pm

    Looking forward to the new movie. Great cast so far.

  • Reply MilanKell February 20, 2019 at 11:40 pm

    Huge thanks for making this video series about these masterpiece novels (which are still, tragically, quite unknown/misunderstood among many people)! :))
    Special huge props for your very cool drawings of the characters, and especially for them looking like their book descriptions instead of being influenced by the David Lynch movie! 🙂

  • Reply Mordalon February 20, 2019 at 11:48 pm

    So I'm going to assume the 3rd warning is in the danger of heroes, of individuals having such all encompassing influence on groups of people, because that is relevant to Paul but becomes more obvious come Leto II in God Emperor of Dune. It's also the warning most relevant to the Golden Path, which is Paul's destiny that he struggles against.

  • Reply John-Eric Clements February 21, 2019 at 12:00 am

    I always thought the series also touches heavily on transhumanism, possibly before it was called that. Between the Bene Gesserit, the Mentats, and the Spacing Guild you have three major factions who's strength is built on the ability to make their members more than human. More empathic, more logical, more extradimensional. And though the results are different in each case, its often to the individual's detriment. And the Empire is built on these powerful but inhuman beings.

  • Reply Tristan Doremus February 21, 2019 at 12:19 am

    pots and pans?

  • Reply Jordan Hicken February 21, 2019 at 12:42 am

    I’m loving the artist’s interpretations of the characters!

  • Reply Mark Siefert February 21, 2019 at 1:49 am

    To know the future is to be enslaved by it.

  • Reply PsychoLucario February 21, 2019 at 2:57 am

    the thing is dune mesiah turns everything around, paul won, he controlled the world, the galaxy, and became the emperor of men but he caused an enormous genocide, he created a religion that was way worse than the benegeserites, and he inadvertantly destroyed the fremen by civilizing them. in the end, he just walks away from it all

  • Reply pilote111 February 21, 2019 at 2:59 am

    A system of cells interlinked within cells interlinked within cells interlinked within one stem

  • Reply PsychoLucario February 21, 2019 at 3:00 am

    the mentats are like rand paul, make great logical arguments but base it entirely on bad premises

  • Reply BigFire February 21, 2019 at 3:35 am

    Also known as the Prophet's Trap. Once you see the future, you're locked into that outcome and are hopeless to change it. The Guild Navigators have a very narrow view of the future and all of it collapses when the source of prescience is threaten (spice). Paul himself is very much helpless in avoiding the future he sees. Leto II, preborned, and quite possibly without actual human emotion to begin with embraced his destiny and forsake his humanity.

  • Reply Troy Carr February 21, 2019 at 3:51 am

    It was Jyro Zhan who said that being a prophet is the worst job in the world… To see the future, and be powerless to affect it. To issue warning upon warning to deaf ears and blind eyes. To call to repentance a people who are already beyond hope. That is the life of a prophet.

  • Reply Lyfe February 21, 2019 at 5:39 am

    man this video had a lot of plot. heh heh.

  • Reply Skizuki Zaziki February 21, 2019 at 6:24 am

    You could say there is a PLOTthera of PLOTS.

    That sounds PLOTsible right?

    Boy! Do I use the word PLOT aPLOT!

  • Reply Chaplain Mitchell James February 21, 2019 at 6:30 am

    A thousand deaths are not enough for Yueh!

  • Reply Jeremy Kiahsobyk February 21, 2019 at 6:43 am

    Paul was never blinded…point those fingers at yourself. XD

    He just couldn't make the hard decision, like Leto did. He couldn't be the God Emperor that humanity needed to survive kralizec.

  • Reply wargriffin5 February 21, 2019 at 9:59 am

    "Plans within plans within plans"…..I see Tzeentch has been here…..or was he?

  • Reply LocalHeretic 1127 February 21, 2019 at 11:04 am

    What a great video.

  • Reply rob denini February 21, 2019 at 11:51 am

    I just started reading Dune and damn this video was like a smack in the face. I don't care about the spoiler about Kynes, this insight was very good, needed and changed my perspective

  • Reply RJ WILLY February 21, 2019 at 11:53 am

    After your done with dune I think roadside picnic would be amazing

  • Reply Luke Mileto February 21, 2019 at 3:36 pm

    well, so Dune seems quite complicated… should I take a leap of faith and read it?

  • Reply Brotha Liphted February 21, 2019 at 3:44 pm

    Oh man this is lovely.

  • Reply B0uff0s February 21, 2019 at 7:49 pm

    the sleeper has awakened

  • Reply Jumong1987 Khalessi February 22, 2019 at 12:59 am

    pls make a video about marry stuart of scotland

  • Reply Patrick Milewski February 22, 2019 at 4:33 pm

    "What about that reality where Hitler cured cancer morty? The answer is dont think about it!" – Rick Sanchez.

  • Reply chavamara February 22, 2019 at 10:39 pm

    "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." A good concept to keep in mind in all aspects of life!

  • Reply Planet of the Atheists February 23, 2019 at 2:58 am

    May Shai'Hulud judge Brian Herbert and cast his water upon the sand

  • Reply Flavius Belisarius February 23, 2019 at 6:10 am

    Godels Incompleteness theorum: In Spaaaace!! (lol its actually more than that, but it does tie in nicely. Also I would make the distinction of the Guild being rationalists and the mentats being big data empricists). but thanks so much for touching on this and not doing the gauche 'Its a boyhood Neitzchean fantasy' surface reading. I hate it when people do that.

  • Reply Jim Humphries February 23, 2019 at 4:06 pm

    Someone send this to Denis. He's gunna need all the help he can get. If he is smart he would actually cast the most empathetic and likable actor to Yueh.  To people that don't know the books his betrayal should be as great as if Han had shot Luke in the back in star wars.

  • Reply Christopher Weston February 23, 2019 at 5:14 pm

    Well done

  • Reply Andrew Cleary February 24, 2019 at 12:46 am

    So, yeah, if you try and hyper-focus and specialize yourself into a machine? Things will go badly for you.
    And if you actually succeed in specializing in EVERYTHING and become one of the Ubermencsh? Things will go very, very, VERY badly for you. To the point where you're comparing yourself unfavourably to Hitler.

  • Reply GatorMacheteJr February 24, 2019 at 7:03 pm

    Holy shit. Did you guys actually read the book? Are your red-tinted lenses too thick for words to filter through?

    Dune is a cautionary tale about handing over absolute power to a Competent Man, but it is NOT a 'take down' of self reliance. If anything it's an anthem to it.

    Between this and Heinlein, you guys should start doing episodes of 'Lies' for Extra Sci Fi.

  • Reply Sum Arbor February 25, 2019 at 11:37 pm

    Darn this is a great series.

  • Reply Dylan Baker February 27, 2019 at 2:18 am

    3:27 as my mama always said "Assumptions make an ass out of you and me."

  • Reply Suzy9MM February 27, 2019 at 2:48 pm

    My real name is Feyd…..makes it fun to hear you guys say my name. My parents adored Dune

  • Reply Donald Meadows February 27, 2019 at 9:10 pm

    You guys nailed why I love this series so much

  • Reply TheLateleks February 28, 2019 at 7:03 am

    I have issue with your comment of constantly examining premises. To form a robust hypothesis requires correct data. The Fremen had hidden themselves for generations and perpetuated external stereotypes to their own ends. Only the Guild had any accurate idea of true Fremen population size. This presents a black swan situation for anyone from another planet who is relying on the Harkkonen records in Im. Who are probably not the best record keepers in the Dune universe. It's like the British estimates of population size of Indigenous Australians, they simply could not conceive due to what they most assuredly knew.

  • Reply Clifford Youngerman March 3, 2019 at 3:28 am

    I would love to see this level of detail on all kinds of sci-fi universes from star trek to 40k. It would be great.

  • Reply Tanner Schier March 6, 2019 at 4:22 am

    These are awesome.

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  • Reply World Theory March 13, 2019 at 12:03 am

    I would like to think that I would pick up on some of this meta stuff if I read the book a few more times… But if I'm being realistic… I doubt that I would really consciously notice the lesson being taught.

    I believe that Dune is what actually got me interested in Rationality, originally; planting that seed in my mind in middle school, a decade or more before I ever heard the word “rationality”. Although, I think science may have helped a tiny bit. (While the scientific method is not the exact same as rationality, they are similar enough in spirit to be compared to one another. I might be getting ‘good science’ mixed up with the “scientific method”, though.)

  • Reply Gabriel Brennan March 21, 2019 at 7:45 pm

    man i need to read this

  • Reply João Felipe B. Lopes March 24, 2019 at 11:21 pm

    Honestly, just finished reading this book, it's completely bogus and I love it!

  • Reply alejandro torres riquelme May 15, 2019 at 1:29 pm

    The spice… Must flow

  • Reply Frostimations May 16, 2019 at 2:58 am

    Dunes is an onion, it has layers

  • Reply ツAcidicAli777 May 16, 2019 at 5:34 am

    Y’all are so unfair to Yueh. He just wants his Wanna

  • Reply ツAcidicAli777 May 16, 2019 at 5:48 am

    Wait I totally missed something with Kynes didn’t I? I had no idea he was using the religion! I thought Bene Gesserit And Jessica were using the religion.

  • Reply truman show June 8, 2019 at 6:58 am

    This video taught me that such complexity & balance made the story deep & dramatic ?.

  • Reply Bryce McKenzie June 11, 2019 at 6:51 am

    Mmm. Layered plots

  • Reply Jane jane June 11, 2019 at 10:34 pm

    woooahhhh spoiler alert buddy

  • Reply steven shar June 17, 2019 at 11:19 pm

    What really happens when you min/max

  • Reply теггавуте June 19, 2019 at 12:23 am

    Dune is like an onion

    It has layers

  • Reply youtoober2013 June 22, 2019 at 6:59 pm

    0:23 Now, why wasn't that a sub sandwich??? Really now.

  • Reply nathanexplosionn July 2, 2019 at 7:16 pm

    Dude… need to work on your pronunciations

  • Reply jalpafett July 8, 2019 at 12:03 am

    Forget the characters. Plot: A Duke is set up to be killed, who has a son as a future messiah, who avenges his family, becoming the Emperor of the universe. End of story.

  • Reply Aaron Zen July 12, 2019 at 6:16 pm

    Nice Mentat computing Logic to Represent the Fool Tarot Card which the Tarot in Dune plays a huge role in Divination especially in other books by Frank Herbert and the expanded universe by Brian Herbert.

  • Reply josephskiles July 21, 2019 at 4:25 pm

    not really a cat person, but your cat floating around at the end of each episode is extremely cute

  • Reply D2attemp September 3, 2019 at 7:44 am

    It Ain’t What You Don’t Know That Gets You Into Trouble. It’s What You Know for Sure That Just Ain’t So
    – Twain, Billings, Ward, Anonymous

  • Reply Bluish5 0 November 8, 2019 at 11:49 pm

    It’s faints within faints

  • Reply eaglesclaws8 November 22, 2019 at 11:32 pm

    A feint, within a feint, within a feint…

  • Reply Gabby and Sabrina November 26, 2019 at 12:59 am

    Plots behind plots, plans behind plans. There's always another secret.

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