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BPD vs CPTSD: What’s the difference? | Kati Morton

October 11, 2019


– Hey everybody, happy Thursday. Now, today, we’re gonna
talk about the difference between BPD or Borderline
Personality Disorder, and C-PTSD or Complex Post
Traumatic Stress Disorder. But before we get into that,
are you new to my channel? Welcome! Make sure you’re subscribed
and you have your notifications turned on because I put
out videos on Mondays and on Thursdays and I
don’t want you to miss out. But let’s jump into this topic. Today’s question is: “Kati, I was wondering if you
could do a video describing the differences between
CPTSD and BPD in regards to the diagnosis since they
have such similar symptoms. I’ve been told by my
therapist that I have CPTSD, (is that even a diagnosis in the DSM V) with DID features, yet the
therapist and psychiatrist from the residential center
told me that my diagnoses are BPD, DID and PTSD. I don’t usually get hung up on the labels but I do find it confusing
since these two conditions are quite similar. I’m sure others have had
a similar experience, so please explain. Thanks! Let’s start by defining the terms. Now CPTSD or complex post
traumatic stress disorder, occurs when someone is
repeatedly traumatized. This could happen if someone grew up in a really abusive household
or if they went to war. Either way you can see that they’re being repeatedly traumatized. And it can make relationships and life afterward very difficult. They state that those who
suffer from Complex PTSD have more issues and they’re
comparing this to people with PTSD versus complex,
just so you kinda know what they’re differentiating between. They say that people with
CPTSD have more issues with emotion regulation, forgetting traumatic events completely, meaning they have no
recollection of things that happened to them, self-perception, so they’ll feel ashamed
and guilty for struggling with this and maybe not
feeling okay like everyone else that that they know. Four, they’ll struggle
with distorted perceptions of their perpetrators. Many people I know, especially
my patients who’ve been traumatized as a child
and abused repeatedly often care for the people who
harmed them and love them. They could be parents or
other members of their family and it’s really difficult for
them to rectify what happened versus how they feel about it. And the fifth is relations with others. Many isolate or struggle
to trust people in general because if you think
about it, in the past, people haven’t been very trustworthy. And six, their own sense of meaning. Many say that they feel
hopeless and they struggle to have any faith in people or life. Now, treatment is pretty much
the same as it is for PTSD, however, there is an intense focus on interpersonal difficulties. They focus on this because
those with repeated trauma have more trouble trusting,
not lashing out, feeling safe, and managing their feelings
of shame and guilt. Now BPD or Borderline Personality Disorder is a pervasive disorder
where we can show patterns of instability in our relationships. We can struggle with self image and have a lot of impulsivity. In order to be diagnosed
with BPD, you must have five of the following nine criteria. The first is fear of abandonment. This means that we’ll make
frantic efforts to avoid real or even imagined, abandonment. Two, we may have a lot of
unstable relationships. Three, we’ll have an
unstable sense of self, which can lead us to change
jobs quickly and frequently or break up with people,
get together on a whim, change all the ways that
we define ourselves. This could even be our
sexuality, career focus, religion, etc. Number four, we can be really impulsive and utilize self destructive behaviors. Five, we can have recurrent
suicidal behavior, gestures or threats or even
self injurious behavior. This is why a lot of people
attach any type of self injury that we may struggle
with with this diagnosis. But we know now that there are efforts to make self injurious behavior
its own separate diagnosis, which I believe is a step
in the right direction. And number six, we can
have extreme mood swings. Our emotions can be all over the place. Number seven, we can have
chronic feelings of emptiness, just wondering what it’s
all worth and if we’re even doing anything that we
love or people even care. Number eight, we can have
inappropriate or intense and explosive anger. And number nine, feeling
suspicious of people or out of touch with reality and I believe that this comes along with
severe dissociative symptoms. By simply going through the two diagnoses, you can see how much
symptom overlap there is, unstable relationships, difficulty with emotion regulation, etc. Therefore, many people
get misdiagnosed with BPD when it should be CPTSD and vice versa. Also many people could meet the
criteria for both diagnosis. A recent study showed that
24% of those with PTSD also had BPD and 30% of
those with BPD also had PTSD. So you can see the symptoms overlap and many people struggle with both. Now let’s get into the main
differences between the two. Number one, BPD does not
require a traumatic event to be diagnosed and CPTSD does. That’s a very big differentiation. Number two, the treatment
plan for CPTSD is to focus on healing or processing
through the traumatic events that occurred, while
BPD’s goal is to resolve any injurious urges and learn how to better manage our emotions. And that, in and of itself,
is so important to note, the second differentiation, because if treatment
is gonna be different, it’s vitally important that
we get the proper diagnosis. The third difference is
that while both diagnosis do show symptoms of emotion dysregulation, they are expressed very differently. In CPTSD, it’s expressed
through emotional sensitivity, reactive anger and poor coping skills. Many people with CPTSD struggle
with drug or alcohol abuse. But BPD, on the other hand, while it may show some of those signs, it’s much more common for someone with BPD to struggle with suicidal thoughts and self injurious behavior when experiencing emotion dysregulation. So it’s almost like those
with CPTSD can lash out more, more quickly maybe, than those with BPD. They often have anger in first,
before they explode outward. And number four, in BPD,
most patients do experience some fear of abandonment. That’s the most common symptom that I see. That has no part of any
criteria associated with CPTSD. I could honestly go on and
on about the differences and the similarities between the two, but the important thing to remember is that only you know your symptoms best. So keep track of them. Bring that information
into your next appointment with your therapist or your doctor. That way, we can ensure that
you are getting the treatment that is right for you, because,
just as I mentioned before, the goals of treatment
for BPD versus CPTSD are very different. Therefore, we need to make
sure our diagnosis fits. Also, if you’re worried
that you struggle with BPD, please look into dialectical
behavior therapy, otherwise known as DBT. If you’re concerned
that you may have PTSD, please look into seeing
a trauma specialist, that could be talk therapy
based, trauma based CBT, EMDR, schema therapy, etc. This video has been brought to you by the Kinions on Patreon. If you would like to support the creation of these mental health videos, click the link in the
description and check it out. And I also have a lot of
videos about different types of treatment related to BPD and CPTSD, so I’ll link those in the description. And as always, let me know
what your experience has been. Have you been misdiagnosed? Do you think CPTSD and BPD
are more alike than we think? Please let me know in
those comments down below and I will see you next time. Bye!

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100 Comments

  • Reply Dianasaur December 20, 2018 at 6:58 pm

    Can you have both?

  • Reply Desire La Belle December 22, 2018 at 6:19 pm

    Sounds like my sister have BPD…

  • Reply Iskra Kranj December 23, 2018 at 1:06 am

    the difference between the two is that you get CPTSD after engaging with a BPD in your life

  • Reply Iskra Kranj December 23, 2018 at 1:22 am

    why, whenever BPD is mentioned, we only ever talk about "self-destructive behaviour"? what about the destructive behaviour? and why are you silent on the fact that the absolute trademarks of BPD is incessant manipulativeness in human relationships. this could maybe help make the distinction between the two

  • Reply Hebah Muhammad December 25, 2018 at 8:33 am

    But is it possible that BPD can come as a result of CPTSD?!

  • Reply lily December 31, 2018 at 5:11 am

    Dang I've been diagnosed with bpd and I have all nine symptoms lol but they have been misdiagnosing me with stuff for years but then when they said bpd, everything made sense. I know that this was a really scattered comment but I feel like I had to get it out there

  • Reply Tamara Jatti January 1, 2019 at 4:56 pm

    I do have a diagnosis of CPTSD, and a secondary diagnosis of DID. Personally, I have found DBT to be helpful for me. I have been repeatedly told that I do not have BPD, but I do tend to struggle a lot with suicidality. I do have no contact with any of the abusers, but I also know that I have a trauma bond with my father. Today is his birthday, and it’s taking everything in me not to pick up the phone and call him. One thing I don’t have, is abandonment issues. I almost always prefer to be in my own company. I am a recovering attic to, and I have been clean and sober completely since October 7. Definitely trauma therapy has been hugely helpful. I am very grateful to you for your channel and for this video!

  • Reply Pauline Fisher January 5, 2019 at 9:09 pm

    I was told that I don’t have BPD but just cptsd. It made me happy to hear that.

  • Reply jfsfrnd January 6, 2019 at 2:36 am

    My daughter told me to go online and read about CPTSD and I had a full scale panick attack.

  • Reply torbs37 January 8, 2019 at 11:53 pm

    I don't think fear of abandonment should necessarily be considered a BPD-only symptom. Children who experience emotional abuse or emotional neglect can also develop C-PTSD, despite nothing obviously "traumatic" happening. Children who have experienced neglect often grow up to fear abandonment, because they internalize that their needs are too much for people, that they are not worthy of love because their caregivers did not properly care for them, etc.

    I'd be curious to know how many people with BPD were neglected as children though. Many of the symptoms sound like pretty logical jumps for children who did not learn emotional regulation from their neglectful parents and had to go to extremes to get their parents' attention.

  • Reply Norman Spurgeon January 9, 2019 at 7:40 pm

    Thank you ever so for urging me to subscribe.

  • Reply Emily Shaw January 11, 2019 at 1:39 am

    Is there any info on what counts as "trauma" that could cause CPTSD?

  • Reply Cari Barker January 21, 2019 at 2:26 am

    I was recently diagnosed wit CPTSD but am thinking I may also have BPD!
    I’m 57 years old and have been in talk therapy for over two years with an amazing psychologist who is using DBT and a mix of other things to help. I’m not quite ready for EMDR but hopefully I will be soon.
    I’m wondering if you could do some type of video combining the two as far as treatment or signs if you have both.
    This video helps me see the differences between the two diagnosis. I think one that explains how to treat both or find out if you actually have both would be helpful.
    I’m definitely going to share this info with my psychologist tomorrow.
    Thanks Katie ❤️

  • Reply Maggie January 21, 2019 at 5:28 am

    Is it ok to tell your psychiatrist that you think their diagnosis is wrong?

  • Reply jennifer musielak January 23, 2019 at 9:38 pm

    Dang, I was told I have C-PTSD, but you hit the nail on the head. I also have DID. I know my label, but I am yet to find a therapist who has the experience to help me. I trust no one, have no friends, and I want to experience feelings, but I am terrified to have even a friend ( what is that). Im stuck cause I am so lonely, but afraid it will be used against me.

  • Reply jennifer musielak January 23, 2019 at 9:46 pm

    I just want to not find myself so discusting, fat, and different. But I am different, Because of what my life has been like.

  • Reply Queen_oreo January 24, 2019 at 1:21 am

    i have bpd ;-;

  • Reply Andi-Roo .at. TheWorldForRealz January 25, 2019 at 6:34 am

    Kati, I have a question about C-PTSD. When you say "repeated trauma" and use war as an example, that leads me to believe you are referring to a repetitive trauma — like, the same thing (or similar things, at any rate) happens over and over again, over a prolonged period of time. How would you characterize someone who experienced multiple, unrelated, different traumas? Like, if a child was molested, then was emotionally abandoned as a teenager, raped as a young adult, physically abused a few years later, etc.? — all separate events, perpetrated by different unrelated individuals. I mean, I would call it shitty luck and a super sad life, but that doesn't tell me if the person I'm describing has PTSD versus C-PTSD. Does the difference even matter for this person? Would treatment be different for one diagnosis than the other, under these circumstances? — and then, let's say the individual in question definitely has BPD. Would you recommend treatment for the BPD prior to, simultaneous with, or following treatment for PTSD / C-PTSD?

  • Reply Soap January 26, 2019 at 11:51 pm

    Could you possibly do a video on BPD vs. Aspergers (specifically in women)? My therapist is saying that I have BPD when my physiatrics is saying Aspergers and PTSD. I am really confused because they haven't told me anything besides that they don't agree on what to diagnose me with.

  • Reply h3arty January 28, 2019 at 9:47 pm

    FUCK! Spent all these years thinking I have BPD. I know now it's C-PTSD.

  • Reply Ure muther February 2, 2019 at 6:09 am

    CPTSD is a lot of traumas PTSD is more sudden. CPTSD can take years to recover from. PTSD can take a few months to a year. There are differences in the two.

  • Reply lanebreakerRBH February 4, 2019 at 10:39 pm

    CPTSD is super hard to deal with 🙁

  • Reply James Koh February 9, 2019 at 2:24 am

    Thank you so much for the video. I had a first therapy session today after series of breakdown events affecting my personal life. I was surprised when my therapist mentioned CPTSD as due to the stigma I had with PTSD. It was such a relief and almost made me cry since it was the first time talking out loud about my childhood to someone in person for the first time throughout my 28 years. And I've been researching the details on CPTSD and hearing the symptoms from you is like abridgement of my life, which made me cry again.

  • Reply D Caius February 9, 2019 at 2:50 pm

    I've commented on your video about BPD already about this, and yeah, having read extensively about CPTSD, I'm not convinced by the explanations. BPD seems to be a name for one of the many ways CPTSD expresses. It's worth noting that BPD is recognised in the DSM whereas CPTSD, even though the appellation emerged in 1992 with Judith L. Herman's excellent book "Trauma and Recovery" (where she talks about patients diagnosed with BPD, btw), has yet to be included. And as a result, in France, CPTSD is virtually unknown as a diagnosis, it exists nowhere, and the whole field of psychotraumatology is mostly a hot flaming mess of denial. BPD, on the other hand, is very well-known… Of course our society would rather diagnose traumatised people with a personality disorder than any type of post-traumatic stess disorder. It's a shame. That being said, the resources about BPD seem to be extremely useful in many ways (for people diagnosed with BPD as well as for people diagnosed with CPTSD).

  • Reply Meraxes Guild February 15, 2019 at 6:47 am

    I was diagnosed c-ptsd and act out in anger as you say lashing out. I defend myself when I when I get upset for feeling that someone is saying false judgment on me. Because I feel that I love them just the same as the next. It hurts and then most the time I'm pushed away. But I can't understand less it's where I'm not able to eat much because I have no job no car my family is past away and no home I live with a friend that has manic depression with psychotic tendencies and his mother that's been fight skin cancer for a little while. So it's stressful to know that to do but I feel love is a answer to try let the past go as it seems tge future looks as all I have is hope. What's wrong with just showed love for once please! but I have this triggers that I believe are protect my heart and mind I'm fighting to keep in balance for love in humanity, friends and people's family that I date and the relationship itself. I'm a infj personality type as well so it seems religious afforia cuase me trauma so I try to be optimistic but it seems in a pessimistic reality.

  • Reply Idraw allthingsgood2me February 17, 2019 at 5:02 am

    I have a history of prolonged trauma… I was diagnosed with Severe and Chronic PTSD. Is that the same as Complex PTSD? Was I misdiagnosed? I was homeless due to being victimized by false reporting of child abuse (which I was later exonerated from after fighting for five years). I was thrown out on the street because the family courts told me I could no longer live in my home without investigating at all, during the time those five years of being homeless, I suffered repeated sexual assault (Sexual abuse),physical, mental and emotional abuse on a daily basis which lasted three months. Is it possible that I was misdiagnosed? Or is Severe and Chronic PTSD the correct diagnosis?

  • Reply Just Me February 17, 2019 at 2:11 pm

    Of course, someone can have a combination of mental disorders.

  • Reply Vegan Faerie February 17, 2019 at 10:41 pm

    I have been diagnosed with BPD and cptsd. But i also have a ton of symptoms of aspergers. I don't think I have it but I still want to get tested

  • Reply Bruno Boyko February 20, 2019 at 4:37 am

    I am beginning to think that I have c-ptsd rather than "just" ptsd. it would make more sense although ptsd definitely makes sense and is the diagnosis i have, as well as anxiety and depression. there's a curious hole in my memory that I have known about since 3rd grade and i am 56. the only memory i have of my first stepmother is the huge shouting match that culminated in her leaving my father. that's odd because I can remember a wedding I attended when I was 3. i do tend to isolate a lot and i do have a huge problem wiht anger and self-harm. i also have a great deal of dificulty trusting people and have since I was about 14. I do ear abandonment and crave intimacy even if it is unhealthy. maybe I'm just an emotionally immature freak who has a lot o growing up to do.

  • Reply Kimber Coates February 25, 2019 at 6:21 pm

    Thank you so much for posting this video.

  • Reply Oneza HD March 3, 2019 at 4:55 pm

    ILY Kati ❤

  • Reply Cassie Moyles March 4, 2019 at 3:01 pm

    Love love LOVE your work!

  • Reply Kitten Se Dévoile March 4, 2019 at 9:20 pm

    Can you have both?

  • Reply Aei Lorux March 7, 2019 at 8:12 pm

    How do people develop BPD other than experiencing chronic trauma? It seems to me that CPTSD is an indicator of BPD. But if so, then why do only 24% have it diagnosed?

  • Reply R B March 26, 2019 at 4:39 pm

    Great job. I was mid diagnosed and you got rid of any doubt. I also like you personality…warm and smart. Thanks

  • Reply Sean Padraig O'Brien March 29, 2019 at 3:45 pm

    Brilliant informative video. They can be quite nuanced.

    Whats the most effective ways to deal with both of them?

  • Reply Classic Nobody March 29, 2019 at 8:10 pm

    OMG I have 7 out of the 9 for BPD . oh I taught in order to have BPD I taught something traumatic would have to happen to me

  • Reply Classic Nobody March 29, 2019 at 8:11 pm

    I think I was misdiagnosed with depression what do I do ?

  • Reply Classic Nobody March 29, 2019 at 8:14 pm

    I kept getting urges to cut myself and I did and intrusive self hate taughts and I'm suicidal . I had a 3 week episode of rage . 3 months depressed and two month's of mania now I'm up and down alot like 9 emotions a day

  • Reply Mimimimimimi Mimi April 1, 2019 at 7:41 am

    I had c-ptsd and I was diagnosed with bpd, because I also had dissociative disorders because of incest during my childhood. But many of my problems were also because of my giftedness. Can you make a video about this topic? People with really high IQ can have lots of difficulties making relationships too. Thanks so much!

  • Reply Nami 7_7_7 April 1, 2019 at 7:15 pm

    Seen you on Shane’s channel ☺️

  • Reply Kelly Kirkland April 9, 2019 at 10:12 am

    I see you've been doing your homework. Thank you! This is a big step up from the video I saw a while ago on CPTSD that you did in 2015. But we (people with CPTSD) still won't get the proper diagnosis because CPTSD isn't in the DSM, but you know that. I've been struggling with CPTSD for years, and my symptoms only worsen while waiting on the field to catch up. It just adds to my frustration. I sometimes wonder why I keep holding out, but I tell myself that's my evil inner critic talking. I would rather just be left alone, though. I don't feel like putting up with people, and I don't expect them to put up with me. Most of them wouldn't understand my world anymore than I understand theirs.

  • Reply Anthony Iuculano April 9, 2019 at 8:54 pm

    If your trauma has been relational and or you have been abandoned I don't see how it is unlikely that you would have a fear of abandonment without even necessarily having BPD

  • Reply Carol Dean April 10, 2019 at 3:14 am

    To Katy Morton: The way you explain the "conditions" and symptoms and treatments are the best and most easy to understand that I've seen yet. Thank you. Also, I am surprised to discover that some of the descriptions in some areas of my very own childhood fit ME! I have been researching to try to cope with and hopefully get help for a family member. I probably shouldn't be so surprised because these "disorders" obviously "run" in families with a kind of domino effect. Hopefully the "psych – buck" will stop with me… doing the best I can to get the help we need. So much.
    But that's the MAJOR problem!!! Just how in the world do you get a person into therapy that thoroughly believes there's NOTHING wrong with them???
    that absolutely everything is everyone else's fault???

  • Reply Leah R April 14, 2019 at 8:00 pm

    Katie can't differentiate between war influenced PTSD and CPTSD. Please research, Katie. Your sources are off.

  • Reply pink Candy April 18, 2019 at 9:48 pm

    I got cptsd n told psych I sometimes hear voices. Extreme childhood abuses and torture n sexually abused

  • Reply B S April 25, 2019 at 3:16 pm

    What if the fear of abandonment stems from actual abandonment? My whole family abandoned me. Besides my one aunt. Now I have a genuine fear of abandonment. Grew up in the system because of this. Is there a difference between having a fear of abandonment because you were abandoned or just having it.

  • Reply Emma Bunch-Benson May 1, 2019 at 2:29 am

    Interesting video! Always wondered if an ex of mine struggled with one of these

  • Reply Buddy Parrish May 3, 2019 at 1:15 am

    Just a thought from personal experience. Prolonged abuse and trauma leads to cptsd. People love to put things in categories At times it had presented as borderline, bi-polar,
    narcissm, co dependent, OCD etc.
    Process trauma learn to re regulate you'll be on road to recovery

  • Reply Alizabett /Rise Beautiful May 3, 2019 at 4:44 pm

    reader not a liver …… The DSM-5 is not even valid, it is only valid in fake illusion life, to act superior . We teach you, you don't tell us! Normal reactions being defined as disorders…. How shallow and debilitating!

  • Reply Joseph Waibel May 4, 2019 at 4:00 pm

    God sent an angel to explain the mental illnesss to us thank god

  • Reply Rebecca Lynn May 5, 2019 at 2:48 am

    🌹 It's etcetera, not eccetera. 😎

  • Reply Celtic Hutcheson May 7, 2019 at 3:43 am

    Pretty sure I’m either BPD or CPTSD. I definitely want to be left alone. Human contact for more then an hour starts to trigger anger within me. I attract on narcissistic or emotionally unavailable men, so I’m single. I’m depressed 60% of the time and angry 40%. I hate life!

  • Reply Cheyenne Wendegatz May 7, 2019 at 2:54 pm

    Trauma can induce plenty of injurious behavior and self image problems. As well as suicidal ideation and fear of abandonment.

  • Reply Cheyenne Wendegatz May 7, 2019 at 2:55 pm

    BPD is commonly induced by trauma and an unstable, dysfunctional upbringing.

  • Reply Adam Hughes May 10, 2019 at 1:39 pm

    Awesome video Kati

  • Reply Stephenie Nilsen May 16, 2019 at 8:56 am

    I've been diagnosed with PTSD and BPD, but I'm being reevaluated shortly. I suffered abuse and neglect throughout my childhood years, which begs the question for me. I don't remember the vast majority of my childhood. I self harm. I fear abandonment because of being neglected, so it's not "imagined." That doesn't mean it's BPD, right?

  • Reply grace farmilo May 19, 2019 at 11:04 pm

    how do you identify if someone has BPD if they are already diagnosed with CPTSD and Bipolar?

  • Reply FaithHope2716 May 22, 2019 at 4:31 pm

    Hi Kati, both my father and sister have BPD undiagnosed. My father was misdiagnosed with bipolar during our childhood and never got the treatment that he needed and it destroyed his marriage and my sister and I went through a lot. My sister has shown symptoms of BPD since she was a young teen. She has been through a lot and has put our family through a lot. She recently physically assaulted me, she has many times, but this time was pretty serious. I want her to see a therapist, but she refuses to acknowledge or accept that she can’t control her rage. She doesn’t realize that she misinterprets what people say and do and she’s always jumping from one crisis to the next. She has horrible romantic relationships that are abusive and violent and she abuses alcohol whenever she can get it. I know she’s suffering. I wasn’t able to help my father when I was younger because I didn’t even know what BPD was, but now that I know and I know they can get help and get better, I feel obligated to save my sister. She also has a a young 11 year old daughter who struggles to cope with her mom too sometimes. My mom has had them living with her and provides for them both, so my sister is as stable as she could be, but I know she has more trouble ahead for her in life if she doesn’t get help. I want her to be happy and at peace for her sake and for our family. She’s so against treatment and can’t see what’s going on, she has such a distorted view of reality sometimes. I love my sister. I know her rage is part of her illness and she can’t help herself at times. I just don’t know how to help her. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

  • Reply Carrie Lee May 28, 2019 at 4:26 pm

    Hmmm.

    I feel like I have both.

    I fear abandonment and I usually punish myself.

    But I also lash out when triggers from my past traumas happen.

    Maybe I have both.

  • Reply April Burns May 30, 2019 at 8:57 am

    Can a person have cptsd and bpd? In the case of cptsd you said bpd individuals have a chronic fear of abandonment while cpst individuals do not…. but what if part of the trama was having a parent frequently threaten to leave them from a very early age…could that then be a symptom of cptsd and not bpsd?

  • Reply Tara Es. May 31, 2019 at 10:09 am

    When I have my sessions I described it as pop ups that come up. I start talking about something then I get amnesia or brain fog and dissociate or I have these Pop ups where I can't dive deep in a topic. I jump from one thing to another.
    I am pretty sure that I have CPTSD. It's so much all at once.
    I already talked about it.

  • Reply leighatkins22 June 3, 2019 at 11:26 pm

    Thank you for spelling this out… it's only recently that i've come to understand that what i've been working to control all my life through self-analysation and logical processes, have been commonly experienced by many others too… so much so that they are part of the psychologists' modern day acronym soup!
    And even now at 53 after all the hard work i'm one of the calmest ppl i know, yet when i'm a bit tired and my guard drops, i'm still finding that my symptoms cause problems with the uninitiated…
    Your vid has helped me see why i do what i do, what i already instinctively do to cope and heal, and what i will never stop doing but can continue to self-manage and this gives me direction, hope, and belief & security within myself.
    Thank you again 🙂

  • Reply Babette Badges June 6, 2019 at 10:34 am

    Good differentiation Katie! I have CPTSD. I am near the end of it after 4 extremely hard years.

  • Reply Alex K June 6, 2019 at 1:36 pm

    Can fear of abandonment refers to entirely avoiding having intimate relationship with anyone and not trusting your parents or friends enough to share emotions?

  • Reply Cvtiee June 7, 2019 at 4:34 am

    I was diagnosed with bpd, but I'm almost certain I have c-ptsd as well.
    I can't remember much, but I know that I've experienced repeated bullying and either sexual harassment or assault in the past (which was never addressed), and am currently in what I'm almost certain is an abusive relationship with my parents and romantic partner. I've spent multiple hours watching videos and reading articles on narcissistic and emotionally immature parents, and have related to almost all of the points and topics. My issue is that I'm currently a minor, and no one will listen to me because my parents come off as nice people in public. I really wish I didn't doubt my feelings and experiences as much as I do because of the constant invalidation, but I can't seem to avoid it. If anyone has advice, I could really use it..

  • Reply Amber Soos June 11, 2019 at 1:21 am

    I have 7 out of 9 BPD symptoms but I keep avoiding needing to go to a therapist

  • Reply Full Circle June 13, 2019 at 11:37 pm

    i’m diagnosed with ptsd but i’m pretty sure i have cptsd after this?? maybe my doctors aren’t aware of cptsd?

  • Reply Nonsense c: June 13, 2019 at 11:40 pm

    I just realized that I check almost if not all symptoms for BPD and my heart just dropped😭

  • Reply Craig Irvine June 14, 2019 at 2:44 am

    Yesss comment 666

  • Reply ocpd23 June 14, 2019 at 10:11 am

    Treatment –
    CPTSD: healing/processing trauma
    BPD: resolve injurious urges + manage emotions

    Emotion dysregulation –
    CPTSD: emotional sensitivity, reactive anger, poor coping skills, substance abuse
    BPD: suicidal, self harm more common, inward anger before outward

    BPD: fear abandonment unique

  • Reply E Rain June 20, 2019 at 3:34 pm

    Okay but a fear of abandonment can be caused by repeated abandonment aka trauma so what about in those cases? are they then BPD because of that specific trauma?

  • Reply Kim Possible June 25, 2019 at 12:21 am

    Omg. What therapist? What doctor? What treatment? For PTSD there isn't treatment. Wth, that's what I've been led to believe for a long long time now.

    Seriously, lol like write about that in the comments, I promise you wouldn't have enough time to read it.

    On a point scale- how desperate am I at this point?
    Easily 8, maybe even 9 though.
    That's pretty desperate.
    But I'm pretty sure it's always like this. Yep. Everytime I try online to get a counselor therapist match I end up with someone many hours away. I'm talking far away cities and states too.
    Okay I hate complaining so I'm done. It's just life but after almost 20 years I just can't get accustomed to this.

  • Reply Krystal McCormick June 25, 2019 at 2:33 pm

    What can you do when you have both

  • Reply I am June 26, 2019 at 8:17 pm

    Soooo… It's the same thing???

  • Reply Torpor June 26, 2019 at 9:05 pm

    Thank you, Katie.
    I was going to share my awesome life story, but instead I'll stick with a truly sincere thanks.

    Ps. I'd love to hear your take on narrative therapy.

  • Reply Prints214/Krys Ruiz June 28, 2019 at 1:25 am

    I love it when you talk about BPD. A lot of channels, don’t

  • Reply Citty Catkin June 29, 2019 at 8:25 pm

    I'm quite confused. I am diagnosed with BPD but I do think I have PTSD. I am in therapy but it only makes me really angry because it's not helping and, if anything, getting worse. I think I need treatment for the PTSD in order to move on 😞

  • Reply véronique crabbé July 16, 2019 at 3:18 pm

    Please help me cuz today I’m doubting myself very hard ! Do I have borderline I was never diagnosed but people who don’t know about me being abused by 2 narcissists first my father then my ex suggested that ! Or do I have PTSD or NVS ? I feel so angry at my both abusers !

  • Reply Buffy Breeden July 17, 2019 at 8:59 am

    I have both of these and they gave me fibromyalgia. The book "THE BODY KEEPS THE SCORE" is amazing!

  • Reply Janessa Chacon July 23, 2019 at 4:14 am

    I was diagnosed with CPTSD along with BPD and chronic depression . Is it possible to have CPTSD but not meet all the criteria ? I meet all the criteria besides 1 or 2 symptoms .

  • Reply Baruch Ben-David July 25, 2019 at 5:10 pm

    Seems to me that fear of abandonment would be a common feeling.

  • Reply Shelly Strawberry July 29, 2019 at 3:00 pm

    When you have all symptoms of BPD. fml…
    But on a happier note. It has become more bearable now that I know exactly what it is.

  • Reply Spencer King August 1, 2019 at 8:36 am

    I'm starting to think I need to talk to my doctor about this I think I may hat this and not anxiety disorder

  • Reply Jennifer Hill August 1, 2019 at 11:00 am

    Is it possible to completely recover from CPTSD? Or do you carry it to some extent for the rest of your life.

  • Reply Khartoum August 9, 2019 at 11:04 pm

    I swear i was missed diagnosed with BPD and PTSD think I'm actually dealing with cptsd and bpd from reacquiring sexual assault as a child by one closest to me in my family and my life.now life just seems to be spiraling down A hole but for some reason i always felt somthing wasnt rite everything keeps balling up getting bigger into one big mess can you maybe help me with this Kati Morton. 🙂

  • Reply rut August 19, 2019 at 12:33 pm

    I'm still confused

  • Reply T Konclown August 20, 2019 at 3:45 pm

    I think my ex has BPD but I can only say I’ve seen 4 symptoms: Unstable relationships, Extreme mood swings, Explosive anger, Out of touch with reality. Are there different degrees of BPD? Can someone be charming, successful, loving, supportive and have BPD?

  • Reply curiouserandcuriouser August 29, 2019 at 4:26 pm

    I’ve tried to talk to my therapist about this and she had never even heard about cptsd. 😒

  • Reply Nope August 29, 2019 at 5:15 pm

    I think I have cptsd. I spent my entire childhood being terrified of my abusing dad. On top of that I was a really sensetive child to begin with, very very shy. His abuse did not help me. All the friendships I’ve had have thru out the years has been toxic because I learned its ok if people treat me like sht because I am a less worthy person. I now have been isolated for years, I dont trust anyone. I have trouble talking to people because I am afraid of getting corrected or being made fun of. My social anxiety is terrible. And I can see that all of my problems are connected to how my father treated me as a kid, I’ve tried telling some people about it and they all said ”thats the past you have to live now”. But it is clearly affecting me now.. No one seems to understand. I’m now 19 with no education and I never had a job. I will never be a functioning adult and I know it. If only someone would have listen to me in time before it got this bad.

  • Reply This Guy September 1, 2019 at 9:22 pm

    I wish I knew all this long ago. Thank you for the time and effort you put in towards this subject. If I ever had a second chance I would utilize most of your tips and strategies to live a much happier and understanding life.

  • Reply Tammy E September 10, 2019 at 1:37 am

    Are you honestly trying to say that people with CPTSD dont have have a fear of abandonment? Load of shit

  • Reply Lady Bug September 10, 2019 at 4:08 am

    Love you Kati Your Greta !!! Do you take TRICARE That just helped me so much I definite have CPTSD and a sprinkle of abandonment issues with BPD but its more clear to me now most of my issues are CPTSD

  • Reply Saladita12 September 18, 2019 at 9:15 am

    I was diagnosed with both.

  • Reply Cata September 24, 2019 at 2:42 am

    Explain bpd an aspergers please

  • Reply Starry Eyed Opossum September 24, 2019 at 11:57 pm

    I have CPTSD but also a very intense fear of abandonment and rejection…so your last point has really confused me. I’m still trying to fully process and remember a lot of my traumas but I know that two of the defining ones involved both abandonment and rejection (in a sense). So does my fear come from those traumas? Or are all of these just false memories and I actually have BPD?

    I really wish I could afford therapy.

  • Reply Awkward Autistic September 30, 2019 at 6:01 am

    They're like peas and carrots.

  • Reply chocolope xo October 2, 2019 at 4:20 pm

    i thought bpd always stemmed from trauma but that the trauma can be very subtle & easily forgettable if in early childhood because well.. it's trauma. i was diagnosed with bpd but have come to think i may also have cptsd. it sounded strange to me that fear of abandonment isn't a symptom of cptsd since there's so trust in others, especially if the trauma included abandonment? just a thought. very interesting the point that ones with cptsd could lash out quicker than with bpd. i wonder why that is. i always felt bpd makes you lash out instantly but maybe that's actually ctpsd? how does it relate to mood swings though? getting angry quickly is a mood swing in itself. all very confusing lol thanks for your video

  • Reply beyondios October 9, 2019 at 1:16 am

    I don't agree with the 4th difference at all. At its root, CPTSD is about abandonment.

  • Reply Iron Ballz October 9, 2019 at 5:01 pm

    Ok… I don't have BPD.

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